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Post by denbydump on Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:44 am

Not Pots. but...

http://www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/2016/feb/01/damien-hirst-fakes-flood-the-market/
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Post by studio-pots on Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:01 am

It's a bit difficult when you live in the world of Damien Hirst, as he doesn't make these things himself so even the ones his organisation say are legit could be seen as fakes.

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Post by dantheman on Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:34 am

this could be said about many successful artists spanning several centuries

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Post by dantheman on Mon May 16, 2016 5:50 am



fake Poole pottery stamp

this is in my opinion a fake as its a Poole stamp on a Langley plate

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Post by denbydump on Mon May 16, 2016 6:07 am

Strange thing is Dan, someone (a crook) must have taken time and trouble to make
that stamp, but was just too thick to get it right.
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Post by dantheman on Mon May 16, 2016 6:13 am

yeah they have been popping up for the last 15 years, the faker was not a pottery expert as he used easily recognisable makes such as Bertoncello

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Post by denbydump on Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:55 pm

Interesting reading, Also mentions Bernard Moore.....

https://stoproyaldoultonfakes.com/
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Post by dantheman on Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:41 am

weird how they fake stamp the cheap pots

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Post by ppcollectables on Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:18 pm

I suppose its because only the cheap stuff has a plain bottom, but it is a rather pointless thing to do.
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Post by ppcollectables on Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:40 pm

Stamford auctions had a 'Poole studio' vase on their latest catalogue - lot 167 - with a fake backstamp. I pointed this out to them and the listing now states 'Poole style' vase. Why didn't they just remove it from the auction instead of allowing fakes to continue to circulate. Maybe if more people complain about it they will remove it completely.
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Post by NaomiM on Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:30 am

Disgraceful Nuh-huh

This carved wooden figurine was sold at a local auction house as a Willi Soukop for £1000, even though I told them it was Balinese like mine below it.

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Post by ppcollectables on Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:06 pm

I like to have a scan through ebay every now and then just to see if there might be anything of interest or if I want to laugh at some of the prices and descriptions. Today I came across 2 Poole fakes in just a few minutes. Have a look for the 'poole pottery cat jug' - 4 days to go, and the 2 brown and cream vases - 3 days to go.
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Post by dantheman on Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:15 pm

I messaged a seller with Kernow in their user name last year about fake Poole sales. I wonder if it was the brown and cream vase seller?

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Post by ppcollectables on Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:15 pm

Probably, user name is maidofkernow. They have replied to my message and saying they couldn't be fakes or they wouldn't have bought them !! But they are going to remove them from sale to check with Poole pottery. Not sure how much of that to believe but I won't waste my time replying and getting into countless to and fro messaging.
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Post by philpot on Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:22 pm

It seems that there are many more cowboys on Ebay than usual. No doubt all that lockdown spare time everyone has. One never knows whether it is deliberate  or just ignorance/stupidity. Years ago I used to bother with a polite message, but its just bashing your head against a brick wall really! Laughter Laughter
            As for prices!  There do seem to have gone up a lot lately. The chancers rather than the rogues. Even so, some people are paying those prices.... A fool and their money.... Shrugs Shrugs
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Post by studio-pots on Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:17 am

I stopped looking like you, philpot, but I thought that I would just check Alan Wallwork items on there after your remarks.

There are two garish AW fakes on there for sale at the moment and in the sold list a few that clearly are not Wallworks but sold as such. One sold by an auction house "Modern Design & Studio Ceramics Consultant Specialist" no less.

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Post by philpot on Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:00 pm

The one with the 'Part of the Alan Wallwork archive' with an impressed W. Seems to have gone for a substantial price Laughter
Then the sorta vaguely 'school of Alan Wallwork' with prices in the hundreds of pounds, with no actual mark. Shrugs Laughter
Did Alan ever do anything in a reddish all over glaze? Couple on Ebay that look reasonably Vaguely Wallwork looked slightly convincing. But with a red glaze? mmmmm....
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Post by studio-pots on Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:10 pm

The ones with the red glaze are fakes. If Alan was still around I suspect that he would have sent rather abusive messages to the sellers, which he often did. I know that he even got onto eBay on occasions but they didn't want to know.

I remember once that he wrote to a seller suggesting that the AW was more likely to be Amy Winehouse than him. The seller's response was to add to his listing that some crank had suggested that it was by Amy Winehouse. Failing to mention that the person he called a "crank" was Alan, himself.

The bowl with the W is Alan's early work - he gave me a couple of tenmoku glazed vases with that mark to sell for him in the dim and distant passed. I can't remember if they got bought or binned but they really are of no more value than a bowl or vase with an unidentified W mark.

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Post by philpot on Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:18 pm

Well the Red glaze one sold for over £140, and another slightly strange looking one for over £300. Both with only limited bidding, which is unusual for Wallwork top items. Caveat Emptor on Ebay at the moment seems to be a wise the policy for buyers to take sometimes.
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Post by studio-pots on Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:26 am

I noticed that myself and thought that it was a shame that one couldn't post an image of the item that we are talking about.


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Post by studio-pots on Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:29 am

So I took a photograph of my computer screen.

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I have often wondered if the screen is really a HP Pavilion 23cw or not. Laughter

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Post by dantheman on Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:06 am

Laughter yes the screen looks legit'

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Post by philpot on Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:04 am

Not Ebay alone as well. That well known man of a million unsigned pots dear ol' Shoji Hamada......From Stourbridge auctioneers Fieldings
https://fieldingsauctioneers.co.uk/auctions/184

Apparently the provenance is from a lady who was the chief Sales assistant for the well known Bernard Leach pottery shop in Kensington Church Street in 1970's London....Indeed! Laughter Laughter Laughter Laughter Fieldings are quite a reputable auction house, who especially have very good modern glass sales. So you should really expect them to know better. Its not only the chancers and fraudsters you have to be careful of, its the incompetents as well
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