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Post by Yelena November 28th 2021, 10:03 pm

Good day to everyone. Have two pieces of ceramic and puzzled about makers and dates.

They are both very damaged. I picked them up in estate sales in Florida years ago.

One is a blue and white plate. The whispers that I overheard from sellers were about shipwreck piece, the damage looks alike, but could not confirm it hundred percent by myself.

My question about plate. Can anybody recognize the scenery? Is there any place in UK as such? Mark is a mess, impossible to read, but maybe a hint on reminding of something similar?

Blue and white transfer plate. E. Challinor & Co. (Fenton). Bw-pla10


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Post by hercules brabazon November 28th 2021, 10:37 pm

The first one looks like the plates based on the engravings in Thomas and William Daniell's "Oriental Scenery ", actually  a series of views of India.  Very popular in the 1820s and 30s. https://www.sfomuseum.org/exhibitions/print-plate-views-east-transferware
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Post by Yelena November 29th 2021, 1:53 am

Thank you so much for the hint.
I am trying to do "magic" with plate's mark in photoshop, in hope it will be readable somehow. If any success, I will post here.
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Post by denbydump November 29th 2021, 1:26 pm

I think the word in the shield is "PEKIN", which would be the pattern name.
Often these mid-19thC plates did not have a manufacturers name, but there
maybe an impressed mark somewhere.
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Post by Yelena November 29th 2021, 1:39 pm

Thank you for a hint. I will look over the plate with more attention, maybe will find something. On my photoshop journey I discovered a few letters, still working on it, maybe will retake the pix of the plate. The glaze crazing is crazy. Will try to post all my results and discoveries later today.

To all, have a very nice day!

Happy
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Post by denbydump November 29th 2021, 2:46 pm

Depending on what has stained it, soaking in a bath of thin bleach will
often remove it.
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Post by Yelena November 30th 2021, 7:39 pm

Good day to everyone! Sorry, didn't post yesterday, as promised, didn't finish in time. OK. One mystery solved!

After my battle with pixels in photoshop, I gave up and took more photos of the mark with magnifying device.

For me it was still hard to read, so, returned to photoshop again and with filters and adjustments brought to light the name inside the shield and the name of the manufacturer. Run the search on internet  and voila - it is "Priory" pattern by E. Challenor & Co.

Blue and white transfer plate. E. Challinor & Co. (Fenton). Prior-10

Blue and white transfer plate. E. Challinor & Co. (Fenton). Prior-11

Better views of the mark and pattern are available on internet, some people have similar pieces in much better condition.

For educational viewing here is a link:
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/6021

Thank you so much for all your input, without collective thinking, I would probably have given up on the discovery and would put this plate aside for another decade.  

I don't mean to be an inconvenience, but any thoughts about  the pitcher?

Thank you.
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Post by NaomiM November 30th 2021, 8:05 pm

I've split the pitcher off into a separate thread because they're not by the same maker.
https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t29891-blue-and-white-pitcher

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Post by Yelena November 30th 2021, 8:19 pm

Thank you, Naomi, and sorry to put extra work on you. Will post one item at the time in the future.
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Post by NaomiM November 30th 2021, 8:26 pm

No worries Excellent

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Post by denbydump November 30th 2021, 10:15 pm

Yes that photoshop enhancement has really brought up the lettering well!

The pottery with this mark was operating 1853-62.
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Post by Yelena December 2nd 2021, 9:18 am

Good day to everyone!
Sorry for the late reply. Thank you for the comment. Sometimes photoshop could help to see better. First I used the curves option in an adjustments window, then did 3 layers of original image and played with filters and the brush tool. With the brush I went around each letter and painted with background color, it helped remove distraction from crazing, then put the layer of original image above and used a filter with "color burn" option. Somehow the blue ink popped up much more intense. If any help needed in the future for something like that, let me know, I will able to guide through the list of tools in photoshop that could help.
Thank you for info on particular dates. I took a peek on the internet for shipwreck history on the Florida coastline, and ran an image search for artifacts rescued from shipwrecks to compare the damage. Right now on ebay somebody is selling the plate from a shipwreck found in the Caribbean islands. The damage is very much alike. Considering shipwrecks for the time period I found out that one merchant ship sank near Key West, named Isaac Allerton. British tableware could of been included in the cargo. History of the disaster is partly documented, and there is a museum with rescued artifacts in Key West. I probably should contact the museum and ask, if this plate could be from that ship. But before that, I would like to figure out the scenery on the plate. The flow of thoughts in my head telling me imaginative story. If the scenery was named "Prior" by the manufacturer, I presume it pointing out on the monastery. Could it be a real place, or it was the imagination of the artist? The three sections on the border of the plate I believe picturing the same building, only the side view in perspective from another side of the river. Why the manufacturer would place the architectural side view of the building, if it was imagination? The center image picturing river, bridge, and a lot of flowers on the building itself. Oh, and the birch trees. I believe they are the birch trees. Here are a better pictures of the scenery, if anybody interested.
One image from the border of the plate and another one - center:

Blue and white transfer plate. E. Challinor & Co. (Fenton). Border10

Blue and white transfer plate. E. Challinor & Co. (Fenton). Center10

I did some research on the architectural style. For my eye looks very much similar to the Cistercian style of architecture.

I will post in this topic any farther discoveries about this plate or a history of manufacturer, if I will find any. Any additional information welcome. And again, thank you very much for all your comments.

To all, have a very nice day! Happy
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