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What are your opinions of collecting/ investing / or anythin' esle of the merits of buying studio pottery /ceramics IE, by the hand or massed produced pieces , Obviously I am an in the Robin Welch camp of Studio is best mass for the rest ,
big ed- Number of posts : 11871
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I'm not sure I understand the question...it is a question isn't it?
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dantheman wrote:I'm not sure I understand the question...it is a question isn't it?
It began with What , so therefore a question , sorry dan , just looking for an opinion on the massed produced unaldulterated crap againtest the beautifully thought provoking skilled stuff
big ed- Number of posts : 11871
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what a leading question
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You Know me Danny Boy
big ed- Number of posts : 11871
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I am happy for people to collect whatever they wish and whatever it is I am sure that they are going to get alot of enjoyment out of it. My mother is in her eighties and collects "Owls". Any owl related things really and it is useful for me when it comes to little presents etc.
If you are talking about collecting for investment then the collector needs to know about their subject, as most commercially produced ceramics and glass have little long lasting monetary value. Things become popular. make high prices then 5 years later are more or less worthless.
As for studio pottery and glass there are items that can be a good long term investment but even here the bulk is not going to ever have any real value. Most of the pots that I buy and sell will never have mass popular appeal but they have a market with collectors. It is a limited market and that suits me perfectly, as there is a limited supply of what I see as good investments and I don't want any more competition!
If you are talking about collecting for investment then the collector needs to know about their subject, as most commercially produced ceramics and glass have little long lasting monetary value. Things become popular. make high prices then 5 years later are more or less worthless.
As for studio pottery and glass there are items that can be a good long term investment but even here the bulk is not going to ever have any real value. Most of the pots that I buy and sell will never have mass popular appeal but they have a market with collectors. It is a limited market and that suits me perfectly, as there is a limited supply of what I see as good investments and I don't want any more competition!
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Depends on the era for me, I really like some of 19th century hand painted factory produced ceramics and factory produced art pottery.
In my opinion overall quality went down in the 20th century for factory produced ceramics, but there were still some nice things being made, though a lot of the lesser quality things have been popular, but often peek and drop in value dramatically when people start collecting the next trend.
From more modern times I usually much prefer studio ceramics, but also have some quirky factory produced things.
In my opinion overall quality went down in the 20th century for factory produced ceramics, but there were still some nice things being made, though a lot of the lesser quality things have been popular, but often peek and drop in value dramatically when people start collecting the next trend.
From more modern times I usually much prefer studio ceramics, but also have some quirky factory produced things.
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I must admit though oficially I support Ed's choice of the hand made I am drawn to all sorts of ceramics ancient acheological pieces of course but also many pieces of WGP which I think have very good design,
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Mostly studio. When I spot something interesting only to turn it over and see it's made by Denby or Shelley or similar I quickly lose interest.
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Poole pottery produced true studio pottery and production line moulded pottery for the masses so you can't always pigeonhole a pottery
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Yes, well the mainstream potteries having departments that did studio is a bit of a crossover. Dartington/Greyshott is another one. Doulton, Wedgwood...a number of mainstream potteries had their arty side.
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....but even studio potters have their limited editions and one offs, and their bog-standard dinnerwares.
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Now that this thread has come back from the depths what strikes me is that, unlike the real world, in 20th Century Forum world studio pottery is mainstream and everything else is not.
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Quite true there SP
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Potty- Number of posts : 3583
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and long may it continue:happy10:
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Studio pottery for me, although the more I learn about the earlier stuff (eg Shinner's Bridge) the more I realise that this work was not made by named individuals. The stuff I collect more and more is contemporary studio made by individuals whose work I admire as art
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Investment of course,is an extremely complicated business.
If it wasn't,we would all be rich!
Buying some potters from the very top galleries,in some cases,you may barely get 10% of your outlay back.
If it wasn't,we would all be rich!
Buying some potters from the very top galleries,in some cases,you may barely get 10% of your outlay back.
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It's a bit like people who buy new cars - they lose value immediately but how do you put a value on acquiring a pot fresh from the potter's kiln, their best and most recent work. It's a buzz, no doubt about it for me.
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As a customer...
You are always gonna be told its their best work!
You are always gonna be told its their best work!
philpot- Number of posts : 6733
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Ha ha - but that's where this forum comes in, honing our skills at spotting fine pots
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I think what is someone's best work is always a matter of personal taste, so it's my view that no-one should listen to anything that a potter or gallery says along those lines, if they are in the process of trying to sell you a pot.
It reminds me of something that I saw at a gallery many years ago, which I have always found difficult to understand. It was at a solo exhibition of a wood firing potter, who is still well known, and the potter had included six plates that all looked very similar to me. They seemed pricey at the £60 price tag that five of them had on them but the sixth was priced at £250. It was at the Private View and a potential customer asked the potter why one plate was so much more expensive and was told that it was because he, the potter, liked it the best. Fine but why did the customer buy that £250 plate. Crazy.
It reminds me of something that I saw at a gallery many years ago, which I have always found difficult to understand. It was at a solo exhibition of a wood firing potter, who is still well known, and the potter had included six plates that all looked very similar to me. They seemed pricey at the £60 price tag that five of them had on them but the sixth was priced at £250. It was at the Private View and a potential customer asked the potter why one plate was so much more expensive and was told that it was because he, the potter, liked it the best. Fine but why did the customer buy that £250 plate. Crazy.
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"Best" when it comes to pots is mostly subjective in my opinion anyway.
What I think is a potters best pots would probably be totally different than most on here and probably the potter too!
One thing I was wondering about recently, when it comes to "the top potters", who / what groups have the most influence on what potters become considered the "top"/"best" potters? Aka those potters we read about how great they are and in a sense "learn to like".
What I think is a potters best pots would probably be totally different than most on here and probably the potter too!
One thing I was wondering about recently, when it comes to "the top potters", who / what groups have the most influence on what potters become considered the "top"/"best" potters? Aka those potters we read about how great they are and in a sense "learn to like".
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Potty- Number of posts : 3583
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I was writing that as SP replied
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lozzy68 wrote:I Had A Feeling It Wasn't A gnome As Studio-Pots Said There Is No Hat On Him
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studio-pots wrote:Fine but why did the customer buy that £250 plate. Crazy.
Reminds me of one potter telling me that he took a glass cabinet to shows, not because it was really necessary, but because the pots in the cabinet would sell fast and he would keep stocking it up with the pots that were on the table not selling!
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