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Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by VeryGreennkeen May 13th 2011, 7:48 pm
Hi again, i hope this time its 3rd time lucky .
Ive had this old plate hanging around for several years absolutely no idea where its from and who made such a thing.
Im not sure but it may be 19th C, any opinion or advice very much appreciated. ta
Portrait plate of young girl in period costume wearing a cross. Ground is a textured gilt surface.
The plate itself is similar to creamware. inpressed makers mark EW, i think shape no 475 painted pattern no 1281 and some smaller marks cant make them out.
Ive had this old plate hanging around for several years absolutely no idea where its from and who made such a thing.
Im not sure but it may be 19th C, any opinion or advice very much appreciated. ta
Portrait plate of young girl in period costume wearing a cross. Ground is a textured gilt surface.
The plate itself is similar to creamware. inpressed makers mark EW, i think shape no 475 painted pattern no 1281 and some smaller marks cant make them out.
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by VeryGreennkeen May 13th 2011, 7:49 pm
Hope this dosnt infringe any rules as i suspect it to be a little older than 20c
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by Potty May 13th 2011, 7:59 pm
Somehow reminds me very much of Doulton.
what are the other marks below the wire please?
Potty.
what are the other marks below the wire please?
Potty.
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by Potty May 13th 2011, 8:03 pm
Looking through a book of marks I have it could well be "Enoch Wood", having a little dig to see if I can find any more info relating to it.
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by Potty May 13th 2011, 8:04 pm
also could read 1871 as Enoch Wood often dated items from what I have read.
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by Potty May 13th 2011, 8:16 pm
Well from looking at some "Enoch Wood" items I doubt it's that.
Also thinking your correct with the number rather than being a date after looking at the pic in more detail.
Back to the drawing board I guess :P
Also thinking your correct with the number rather than being a date after looking at the pic in more detail.
Back to the drawing board I guess :P
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by VeryGreennkeen May 13th 2011, 8:50 pm
Hi Potty, thanks for your thoughts, its the number 475 inpressed
i think its just the blank plate shape number.
i think its just the blank plate shape number.
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by VeryGreennkeen May 13th 2011, 8:53 pm
i did also think it was an Enoch Wood for a while but my research only showed that they produced Transfer table wares and willow type patterns, i never found anything along these lines im afraid.
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by Potty May 13th 2011, 9:03 pm
Still feel drawn towards Doulton 
As you say Enoch Wood do not seem to make items like this, thou it is possible.
In terms of date it feels more like 1900-1910 to me, but this is just a guess as such.
As you say Enoch Wood do not seem to make items like this, thou it is possible.
In terms of date it feels more like 1900-1910 to me, but this is just a guess as such.
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by flying free May 13th 2011, 9:46 pm
I don't suppose it could be Minton could it. Those initials might make the date May 1878 if I've read their date chart correctly.
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by bistoboy May 13th 2011, 10:16 pm
i think Doulton would be a very good possibility, as would Pinder Bourne & Co. But i wonder if it's continental. The woman's costume is probably not contemporary with the date of the charger, but perhaps it points to the taste of the people who would've bought it originally, more Bavarian or Alpine looking perhaps? I didn't read the number as 1871, but upside down it looked more like 1281 to me. my guess is Sarreguemines
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by bistoboy May 13th 2011, 10:28 pm
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=190520470515&nma=true&rt=nc&si=aTEseXdTr3t34HQevH3y5EaU5c8%253D
just found this which is similar (ish), but this one was obviously handpainted and not a transfer print.
just found this which is similar (ish), but this one was obviously handpainted and not a transfer print.
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Re: Help with long term ID problem on old Portrait plate maybe not 20th C
by VeryGreennkeen May 13th 2011, 10:46 pm
Hi thanks for the input. I hadnt considered Minton but having looked at some examples can see some in a similar style with the gilt ground. But i too felt it more likely to be continental, my thoughts were perhaps Austria/vienna
But have no basis just a guess.
Will go and look at Sarreguemines, confess to having never heard the name.
many thanks as it gives me new hope.
But have no basis just a guess.
Will go and look at Sarreguemines, confess to having never heard the name.
many thanks as it gives me new hope.
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