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Post by Inez Austin on July 27th 2009, 10:35 pm

Venetian, circa 1900 and possibly Saliviati 6-1/8 inches long x 2-7/8 wide x 3 tall x 1-5/8 wide handle x 2-1/8 wide bridge. Thanks for looking, perhaps you recognize it?

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Post by Nic on July 27th 2009, 11:21 pm

Images are automatically shrunk so that they fit on most screens - you might fare better using one photo per image file.

It's hard to tell from the photos, but the fish look like they're either pâte de verre or are press-moulded and then enamelled. If Venetian I would expect them to be lampworked.

Also, the base appears as though it might be pressed which, again, is not concurrent with Venetin glass of this period.

Of course, these observations could just be a trick of the eye. Are the fish attached to the bowl, or is it all one flowing piece?

Is the decoration hand-painted or screenprinted? (the former should leave some trace of brushmarks and an uneven surface, whereas the latter will be quite crisp and even)

Also, a shot of the underside would be quite handy to give an idea of how the piece was finished.
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Post by Inez Austin on July 28th 2009, 12:29 am

The fish and plants are painted on the glass. It appears to be all one piece. The brownish bronze becomes green then blue. No paint anywhere except for the inside of the bowls. I had thought it might be blown into a mould. I can get that cabinet unlocked and a pic taken tonight or in the morning. (we are 8 hours earlier here and I am having folks in for dinner in an hour and a bit) Thanks, Inez
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Post by Inez Austin on July 29th 2009, 3:54 am

Views of the bottom. Venetian, circa 1900 and possibly Saliviati? Very nicely finished, no roughness.

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Post by Pip on July 29th 2009, 10:34 am

Hi Inez - totally out of my sphere of knowledge I'm afraid. Hopefully someone will be along who may know...

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Post by Nic on July 29th 2009, 11:19 am

As with Pip, it's really not my field - but the entire item looks pressed to me, albeit very finely finished.

This method of production probably negates any chance of it being Venetian. I consulted my (slender) books on Venetian glass as well as likely sources online, and neither contained any entirely pressed pieces.

I did, however, spot a salt in a similar form (double-bowled with a bookended fish handle) which was entirely mouth-blown and lampworked attributed to Seguso, c.1930, so yours is certainly in the Venetian vernacular - I just suspect it was made elsewhere.

My first thought, based on pressed glass + enamelling, is that it's possibly of Austro-Bohemian origin - borrowing of the Venetian style was quite common for some of the factories in that region.

That said, I should stress again that this is really not my field.
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Post by Christine on July 29th 2009, 12:43 pm

It could actually be from the US. Particularly as I would agree with it's being pressed and where you are. The dolphin was commonly used in US pressed glass and there was an awful lot of glass decorating there.

Bicolour pressed glass is rather unusual though. How are the little feet on the bottom finished, straight out of a mould or ground?
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Post by bistoboy on July 29th 2009, 12:43 pm

i thought it looked french. vallerysthal?
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Post by Inez Austin on July 29th 2009, 5:13 pm

I had though Moser, but was told no. I think it will be an unknown. It is much prettier in person than in picture. Thanks for looking. Inez
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Post by Christine on July 30th 2009, 10:44 am

Did I get edited?
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Post by dantheman on July 30th 2009, 12:20 pm

I wouldn't have thought so Christine Laughter you have to say something pretty bad for that

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Post by Christine on July 30th 2009, 2:34 pm

I suggested Inez visited a specialist US forum; it seems to have gone
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Post by Nic on July 30th 2009, 2:53 pm

I've not had my censorship shears out. :con1:
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Post by skay on July 30th 2009, 3:02 pm

Happy

Would you please give it another go Christine?

I didn't do it either :ch3: must be Pip Most Excellent Most Excellent

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Post by dantheman on July 30th 2009, 3:51 pm

yeah Pip did it!

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Post by Nic on July 30th 2009, 4:17 pm

It may have been the board being buggy.... but, alternatively, Pip did it!

(what an alliterate post)
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Post by dantheman on July 30th 2009, 4:18 pm

Laughter Burn the witch!

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Post by Inez Austin on July 30th 2009, 5:16 pm

re the feet, formed in a mould or pressed then ground or polished so there are no sharp edges at all (no place on the thing). Thanks, I did get the personal message. I am 99.9 percent sure it's not from the US. I am fairly familiar with the glass work over here and have not seen a catalog or advertisement for this kind of work. I do have several dolphin items tho, and since the West Virginia Museum of is one of my publishers I have gotten to look at lots of their info. Oh, well, back to the unknown shelf for the thing.....
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Post by Inez Austin on August 6th 2009, 5:57 pm

Looking for something else and found the ID for this one! The World of Salt Shakers Volume III by Mildred and Ralph Lechner, page 98 top. Moser Meierhoffen Works, Fish Pond, circa 1900-1910. Clear photos of the decoration.
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Post by Christine on August 7th 2009, 7:42 am

I'm confused. Are we talking the Moser of Czechoslovakia, the one founded by Ludwig Moser with a glassworks in Karlovy Vary at that time (and now)? That factory made blown glass not pressed.

Different Mosers owned a ceramics factory in Meierhoffen. Is there another Moser glassworks?
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Post by Inez Austin on August 7th 2009, 8:08 am

The book says the glass factory was in Karlsbad, Bohemia (1895-1933). Founded by Ludwig Moser in 1895. They say most items were mould blown. Insinuating not all were???
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Post by Christine on August 7th 2009, 9:56 am

Moser 1857-1997 by Jan Mergl and Lenka Pankova, which was published by Moser in 1997 does not mention pressed glass and does not illustrate a single piece of pressed glass. Some is mould blown, some is free blown. (Karlsbad is the German name for Karlovy Vary and the factory is still there.)

If you email them with a picture they will almost reply yea or nay. They are very obliging. www.moser-glass.com/en/
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Post by Inez Austin on August 7th 2009, 4:29 pm

Thanks!
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