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Post by eggiacalus on July 29th 2018, 10:24 pm

Hello everyone,

i would like to date and identify this old plate .

Diameter is 26 cm

the photos of the logo on the back are in focus, but the image is slightly blurred on the ceramic,

the abbreviation at the bottom seems to correspond to A.R.M. but I'm not sure

Thanks for your support








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Post by Itsonlyme on July 30th 2018, 1:34 am

Looks similar to the Sutherland china mark but not quite like the ones iv seen worth a try though. lacking an England mark but still in English another possibility is american?
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Post by mikey1972 on July 30th 2018, 5:28 pm

Its English pottery due to the spelling of "colour"
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Post by denbydump on July 30th 2018, 7:02 pm

Not a mark i can find, it looks old but....
"Acids resisting colours" odd, but if correct maybe a clue.
Looks like Ironstone ware.
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Post by philpot on July 30th 2018, 7:31 pm

Just about the conclusion I have come to as well as well Denby. Lion and a Crown with ARM? Would seem easy to identify. But nothing fits,
Perhaps the footnotes of 'acid resistant' etc provide a clue. A commercial pottery supplying wholesale to the burgeoning Victorian tea shop/restaurant/work place whatever of the 19th century. A market that is often overlooked. In that the antique market is prejudiced in favour of the upmarket Doulton/Wedgwood/Worcester producers in terms of value.
Having virtually completely ignored the Victorian Mass market. Which given that such potteries were supplying most of the rest of the world at the Zenith of British trade and ceramic production.

So there you are. A mass market piece!
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Post by denbydump on July 30th 2018, 8:05 pm

Can't make out the word above ARM, Manufacture??

May not even be British, though Scottish potteries did use Black as opposed
to Blue on white.
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Post by eggiacalus on July 30th 2018, 8:09 pm

philpot wrote:Just about the conclusion I have come to as well as well Denby. Lion and a Crown with ARM? Would seem easy to identify. But nothing fits,
Perhaps the footnotes of 'acid resistant' etc provide a clue. A commercial pottery supplying wholesale to the burgeoning Victorian tea shop/restaurant/work place whatever of the 19th century. A market that is often overlooked. In that the antique market is prejudiced in favour of the upmarket Doulton/Wedgwood/Worcester producers in terms of value.
Having virtually completely ignored the Victorian Mass market. Which given that such potteries were supplying most of the rest of the world  at the Zenith of British   trade and ceramic production.

                So there you are. A mass market piece!
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Thanks to everyone .... most likely it is from the 19th century, I see the writing A.R.M. ... could be a further indication ?


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Post by eggiacalus on July 30th 2018, 8:10 pm

denbydump wrote:Can't make out the word above ARM, Manufacture??

May not even be British, though Scottish potteries did use Black as opposed
to Blue on white.

yes i ll do my best, even if it's little and blurred on the ceramic .

Ok in 10 min i send a photo, thanks for your time
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Post by eggiacalus on July 30th 2018, 8:24 pm




i'm sorry it's really blurred on the ceramic, i did macro photos, hoping that can help at the same
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Post by eggiacalus on July 30th 2018, 10:32 pm

I was noticing that Crown pattern is similar to Mason's
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Post by eggiacalus on July 31st 2018, 7:45 am

I used the magnifier and I can say that the third and the fifth letters correspond to the A while the last letter is an S

hoping that can help you more
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Post by Essenjay on July 31st 2018, 10:19 pm

In my opinion, I don't think that there's any real age to it, probably 1950s or 1960s, if not later. For a start, the glazed foot ring looks awfully clean. The floral pattern alone is not a useful indicator of age; the taste for Victorian style comes and goes but never seems to disappear entirely, so you can find floral and landscapes inspired by Victorian patterns being produced at pretty much any time over the last 120 years. Johnson Brothers and several other Staffordshire factories, for example, produced similar wares in the 50s and 60s.
Moreover, 'original permanent underglazed decoration' isn't wording that any pottery would have used until the post-war period. I really don't think this was produced in the UK either, because no self-respecting pottery would have used the misspelt 'acids resisting colours'. The crown and lion device, I reckon, were used to give the mark a form of legitimacy by imitating those of the established British factories and the English spelling of 'colour' would most likely have been copied from one of those factories' marks.
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Post by eggiacalus on August 1st 2018, 1:04 pm

Essenjay wrote:In my opinion, I don't think that there's any real age to it, probably 1950s or 1960s, if not later. For a start, the glazed foot ring looks awfully clean. The floral pattern alone is not a useful indicator of age; the taste for Victorian style comes and goes but never seems to disappear entirely, so you can find floral and landscapes inspired by Victorian patterns being produced at pretty much any time over the last 120 years. Johnson Brothers and several other Staffordshire factories, for example, produced similar wares in the 50s and 60s.
Moreover, 'original permanent underglazed decoration' isn't wording that any pottery would have used until the post-war period. I really don't think this was produced in the UK either, because no self-respecting pottery would have used the misspelt 'acids resisting colours'. The crown and lion device, I reckon, were used to give the mark a form of legitimacy by imitating those of the established British factories and the English spelling of 'colour' would most likely have been copied from one of those factories' marks.

Thanks so much for your opinion, i think you're right . Excellent
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