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Unknown pottery from Scottish Beach

Post by YM on July 26th 2018, 10:33 am

Hello everyone :)

I found this piece of pottery on the beach in North Ayrshire, Scotland. †I'm having trouble identifying an approximate age for it. †The design looks hand painted and is relatively naive. †I find a lot of 20th and 19th century pottery, but this does not fit in with the same aesthetic..

Any help would be much appreciated

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Post by NaomiM on July 26th 2018, 10:37 am

Welcome to the forum Iíll move this to ID My Pottery so other members will find it (the other groups are for identified Pottery)

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Post by YM on July 26th 2018, 10:39 am

Many thanks Naomi :)
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Post by philpot on July 26th 2018, 10:59 am

More photos would help. Is it a porringer? Cannot really quite tell. Base photo in particular. Gives some idea of clay used and some idea of the making.
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Post by YM on July 26th 2018, 11:14 am

Thank you - here are a few images of the side and back - hope they help


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Post by philpot on July 26th 2018, 11:59 am

So its probably studio pottery. Crackle glaze porringer with what looks like a coarse stoneware clay.

Now a porringer is rather a classic studio pottery form. Made very popular by being a staple item in the Bernard Leach St Ives standard ware. Many potters copied it especially in the boom which started in late 60's. So possibly 1970's?

A crackle glaze would be unusual on a porringer. Its a classic Korean/Chinese glaze not really used by Potter's of the Leach school whose roots were very much in the Japanese tradition.

What is that decoration meant to be tho? Scrolls? Arches? Classic calligraphic? If it is done by hand, it is has been done well. But again, unusual type of decoration to have on a studio porringer.

Obviously by an experienced potter. But with elements that are unusual in such a commonplace form



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Post by YM on July 26th 2018, 12:18 pm

Thanks for your insight - I'm not sure exactly of the design - looks like loops with scrolls?

Each one is slightly different with more lines in the centre of the loop or the circle below the centre of each loop is in a different place. Some areas have heavier markings which is why I initially thought hand painted with the brush being harder to control quantity of paint.

Interesting and an unusual piece for me :)

Thanks for your time - have a lovely day :)
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Post by NaomiM on July 26th 2018, 1:01 pm

Iím going to disagree and say itís from a post-1850 transfer printed staffordshire china plate. Itís possible itís hand painted but youíd see a texture to the surface where the brush applied the cobalt, and Iím not seeing that. But if it is handpainted then I would date it to the early 1800s. Nothing about it is saying studio pottery to me. The staining is very common on shreds and not the true colour or texture of the original clay body.

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Post by denbydump on July 26th 2018, 1:26 pm

I'd say even older, crudely hand decorated, utilitarian earthenware/stoneware
country pottery, could well be Scottish, might be worth showing it to a museum.
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Re: Unknown pottery from Scottish Beach

Post by YM on July 26th 2018, 1:33 pm

Thanks for your input Naomi - I would agree about the staining on the fragments, some have brown staining, red etc while others come out perfectly clean. I'm pretty sure that most of the pieces I find are from a Victorian sea dump at the end of our beach. However it could have come from anywhere :) Perhaps it is not hand painted and is transfer printed.. I've noticed that the design is not straight and appears to be higher on the right hand side. Not sure if that is an indicator..

Grateful for your time :)

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Post by YM on July 26th 2018, 1:37 pm

Thanks denbydump :)

Interesting - another option to think about!

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Post by NaomiM on July 26th 2018, 1:47 pm

The transfer print would have been made from a hand engraved copper plate, hence the initial appearance of it being hand drawn but the wonkiness would be due to the paper pattern being laid by hand on a curved surface

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Post by YM on July 26th 2018, 2:18 pm

That makes sense about the transfer
Thank you so much for your help
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Re: Unknown pottery from Scottish Beach

Post by denbydump on July 26th 2018, 2:51 pm

Too crude to be a transfer IMO. Too many inconsistencies, look at the "eyes",
different shapes, and one can almost see the brush strokes in the "grilles".
If it was a transfer it might be a recorded pattern though.
Could even be Delftware, with what looks like a thick tin-glaze over the body.
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Re: Unknown pottery from Scottish Beach

Post by YM on July 26th 2018, 4:00 pm

Thanks Denbydump -

The design is very crude and there are a lot of inconsistencies - it's turning into a bit of a mystery :) Usually fragments I find are more elegant and can have very decorative well designed patterns on them - this just seemed a little bulky and almost naive in comparison.

Many thanks again for all your help
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