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Post by ade0915 November 22nd 2017, 3:52 pm

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I've just acquired this piece and I think it has a lot of similarities to Celtic, if it isn't. The clay is very similar, the green panels are the same as the medallion range as is the orange and the black glaze is spot on, I also remember a similar shape previously on this thread. Problem is Celtic was mostly a labelled pottery so long gone. Anyone any thoughts?
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Post by dantheman November 22nd 2017, 6:38 pm

Looks more like Eric Leaper to me but please post some more images, including one of the base, and with measurements, as it's probably not Celtic

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Post by ade0915 November 22nd 2017, 7:50 pm

Hi Dan, definitely not Leaper, it's far too fine. I've added a pic of a medallion plate from Celtic, you'll see the similar glazes and colours. I'll get some more pics on when I can. Newlyn Celtic vase?? S-l16010
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Post by Celtic_Fan November 22nd 2017, 11:03 pm

Tricky one.
At first sight, like Dan, I'd say it doesn't look Celtic.
However, it's hard to tell from one photo, when the odd strange thing does turn up from time to time.
But, this does look to be the same shape as a set of 3 square vases which turned up about 7 years ago, with swirl designs and each a different colour.
Do you remember them Dan?
So whilst it doesn't look typical Celtic, it could be?

What size is it and what does the base look like?
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Post by dantheman November 23rd 2017, 12:07 am

yes I thought of the 3 square vases but a base image would help

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Post by ade0915 November 23rd 2017, 6:51 am

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Post by ade0915 November 23rd 2017, 6:52 am

[url=https://servimg.com/view/13469416/101]Newlyn Celtic vase?? Bwz5yb10[/urlThese are the similar shaped Celtic  vases from some years ago
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Post by Celtic_Fan November 23rd 2017, 9:00 am

This is one of those cases where photos can't be definitive.
But I think it's hard not to think that this comes from the same source as the other 3 (base is the same) and those do 'appear' to be Celtic.
That green colour does bleed out of the 'black'.
I'd want to handle it to be sure, but it does seem that it's 'probably' Celtic.
It would seem to be more connected to the Medallion range, whilst most variations are in the Folk range. Which suggests that they are all later Newlyn production. Strangely, I do like this a lot more than I do most Medallion ware.
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Post by dantheman November 23rd 2017, 6:15 pm

try comparing the base with Medallion base

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Post by Celtic_Fan November 23rd 2017, 7:28 pm

Yeh I know - nothing like them.
But with this apparently being connected with those other 3 vase, the 'standard' Medallion base is irrelevant.
As you know, those 3 vases were the only ones we had ever seen. We now seem to have a 4th and the base of this 4th matches the other 3.
There is no reason why a design 'related' to the Medallion range, couldn't have been tried on 'trial' vases, which were being applied with a range of glazes and patterns.
That is after all the 'thing' about trials and one offs - they don't match the standard or expected wares.
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Post by denbydump August 6th 2022, 12:12 am

Came across this thread and just thought I'd add some comments.

Is the jury still out as to whether they are celtic or not?
Dan's post here says Maggie said they were hand-built.

https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t280-celtic-newlyn-mousehole#30103

But the top vase here seems to me to be slip moulded from the base.
Tremaen, Tolcarne, Harmony, Marazion and Troika all made similar-ish
vases, In fact these are an identical shape to some Troika St Ives pieces.
They had a little square cap which fitted on the top, almost always
missing. I only ever had one with it's cap.

I know I've seen this "H" shape moulding mark before, it's bugging me!
I keep thinking of Harmony, but we don't have many examples on the
Harmony thread unfortunately.

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