Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
studio-pots wrote:
The real importance is that they are salt-glazed, which ties them down to a certain period in the 1970s.
This I why I wonder if they are later, do we know when they started doing it again?
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
The Emmanuel Cooper book says that Janet Leach's most successful salt glazing was for an exhibition held in Japan in 1982/83, The firing was in collaboration with expert salt glaze potter IAN GREGORY. A whole kiln full apparently. Could this possibly be a mark used by Ian Gregory?
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
philpot wrote: The Emmanuel Cooper book says that Janet Leach's most successful salt glazing was for an exhibition held in Japan in 1982/83, The firing was in collaboration with expert salt glaze potter IAN GREGORY. A whole kiln full apparently. Could this possibly be a mark used by Ian Gregory?
No.
I also think that firing may have done in Ian kiln in Dorset (I might be wrong but I seem to remember Ian mentioning it to me years ago). That was because the one that Janet had used for salt-glazing at the Leach Pottery was small from what it says in the Cooper book.
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
Potty wrote:studio-pots wrote:
The real importance is that they are salt-glazed, which ties them down to a certain period in the 1970s.
This I why I wonder if they are later, do we know when they started doing it again?
After Bernard moved from the pottery in the early 1970s, Janet changed the kilns and had one that she used for salt-glazing now and then. it is this period when the L: pieces are most likely to have been done.
As far as I am aware, no salt-glazing has been done since before I visited the Leach Pottery in around 1993.
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
studio-pots wrote:After Bernard moved from the pottery in the early 1970s, Janet changed the kilns and had one that she used for salt-glazing now and then. it is this period when the L: pieces are most likely to have been done.
As far as I am aware, no salt-glazing has been done since before I visited the Leach Pottery in around 1993.
They have certainly done a fair bit of soda glaze in more recent years. Thought I had read somewhere about salf glaze too, but I may be mistaken.
Here's a video of the soda glaze in case anyone is interested to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0B6-qBMTOk&t=97s
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Chatting with Mike Dodd last weekend and he was talking about Janet Leach so I asked him about this mark. He didn’t think it was Janet’s but he said David Leach used a stamp that was just an L. Seems a logical explanation
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
NaomiM wrote:Chatting with Mike Dodd last weekend and he was talking about Janet Leach so I asked him about this mark. He didn’t think it was Janet’s but he said David Leach used a stamp that was just an L. Seems a logical explanation
All the pots I have seen this this mark have been very crude compared to David's work, which does not strike me as being by the same hand.
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Yes. I suspect it’s the mark David used as a teenager. Bernard only allowed potters to use a personal stamp after years of training, and these pots are too crude. He wouldn’t have allowed someone who wasn’t family to have used one so like his own. If it wasn’t David then it might have been another son, or his first wife, or all of them, and keep them separate from the commercial pieces
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
David Leach as a teenager then it would have been made in the 1920's.
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
The Marks book says he was officially potting at St Ives from 1930 before he went to Dartington Hall in 1933-37 and then back to St Ives, so, yes, if the theory holds true then it dates from the 1920s-early '30s
Edited to add this anecdote:
Edited to add this anecdote:
Alexander Peter Tonkinson
I bought a listed jar many years ago with this mark which had solid provenance as being given as a gift by BL to a friend. I would be very surprised if it was Janet and my own personal theory is it was an interim mark post his script seal of the 20s-30s but before his BL: mark we all know. I have seen about 5 or 6 items with this mark and I don't think any have had an ENGLAND seal which make them pre-date 1952 ruling out Janet.
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
I have never read anything about salt-glazing been carried out back then. Some pots from that period might have shown signs of salt-glazing but not this "all over effect".
The cause of "signs of salt-glazing" was that wood collected from the beach was used in some firings.
In her time, Janet did have a small kiln that she used for salt-glazing, but she used her JL on the pieces that I have seen.
Might it be from the pottery that's there today?
The cause of "signs of salt-glazing" was that wood collected from the beach was used in some firings.
In her time, Janet did have a small kiln that she used for salt-glazing, but she used her JL on the pieces that I have seen.
Might it be from the pottery that's there today?
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
studio-pots wrote:Might it be from the pottery that's there today?
That is what I suggested for the previous examples with this Mark, but everyone else thought they were far older.
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
IDed by Robert Fishman on Facebook as Jeffrey Larkin, 1976-78
From his website:
JEFF LARKIN
It all began with Jeff. He attended the University of Minnesota where he studied under the renowned potter Warren MacKenzie. Inspired by the work of Bill Marshall and Bernard Leach, he traveled to England to serve in an apprenticeship at the legendary Leach Pottery in St. Ives from 1976-1978.
Upon his return to Minnesota, Jeff and his brother Tom established a studio on the family farm where his mother, Alice Featherstone Larkin, was born
Address:
Featherstone Pottery
31998 210th Ave.
Red Wing, MN
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
A mystery 9 years in the solving! Dogged persistence indeed. Probably the first thing to do with marks like these should be to closely exam the cohort 1973-79. After Bill Marshall left the majority of the apprentices/Students in those years seem to have had their own marks.
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Re: Leach St Ives Pottery L mark dots - Jeffrey Larkin
philpot wrote:A mystery 9 years in the solving! Dogged persistence indeed. Probably the first thing to do with marks like these should be to closely exam the cohort 1973-79. After Bill Marshall left the majority of the apprentices/Students in those years seem to have had their own marks.
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In August of last year I received this from Jeff Oestrich regarding the L:
“ Hi Neil
I’m never up this early but woke up at 3 thinking of your pot and sent to the USA potters stamp site and went through the L’s. No luck. I am wondering if it may be Jeff Larkins who lives two hours from me. He trained at the Leach from 1976-1978. He works with his brother at his parents farm. I haven’t seen Jeff in 45 years and cannot find his stamp as they go by Featherstone Pottery in Red Wing Minnesota. One idea too is that the potter stamped an L on the pots with a salt firing clay. If only Trevor were alive as he worked there longer than anyone.
I sent 2 e mails to Jeff Larkin but for some reason didn’t get a response.
Maybe it was the wrong e mail address. To be honest it concerned me that he may have passed or was ill so I left it.
Jeff O will be interested so I’ll let him know because he was spot on!!!
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