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Post by Ian1978 February 28th 2018, 9:23 pm

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Post by Ian1978 February 28th 2018, 9:27 pm

I can't get a decent photo but it's definitely RF and the only letter you can make out in the word above Pottery is a B. The word is much shorter than pottery so could be Bath.
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Post by Potty February 28th 2018, 10:13 pm

studio-pots wrote:These types of dishes were made by hundreds of potters in the 1950s and with no BATH POTTERY mark, no VELLOW mark and no Richard Freeman personal mark it is not possible to say that it was definitely by him or was made at either of these potteries. It maybe by him but unless he is asked (I know he was still alive a few years ago) then I can't see how anyone can say that it is definitely by him or where it was made.

To be fair SP I think with this particular piece I believe a mark was not needed. The way the slab was cut (with a wire and wire marks left on display), clay, glaze, decoration and form are all a match and I've never seen pots like these that check all those boxes, but I could be wrong.

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Post by NaomiM February 28th 2018, 10:34 pm

I’ve edited Ian’s photo and there’s definitely an RF mark and ‘Pottery’. I can see a partial word above with a B so could well be ‘Bath’


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Post by studio-pots February 28th 2018, 11:21 pm

Without a mark I don't think it is correct to use the word definite unless you have some other actual provenance.

Now that I have seen the image of the mark under the glaze, which hadn't been spotted/mentioned, that is a different matter, as it is the BATH POTTERY impressed mark and the personal mark of Richard Freeman and so the word definite can be used.

Here is it without any glaze.

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Post by Potty February 28th 2018, 11:44 pm

studio-pots wrote:Without a mark I don't think it is correct to use the word definite unless you have some other actual provenance.

Fair enough point and I would also not "officially" say this was his with without some form of caveat, I.e. "Looks like", but I was 99.9% convinced it was his Big Laughter

If I was selling this I would have no issue saying "Richard Freeman" for the title, but I would mention in the description that it is unmarked (as we thought it was), but that I was almost certain it was his.


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Post by NaomiM March 11th 2018, 10:09 pm

Pair of jugs stamped Bath. I believe this is Steve Mills’ mark

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Post by olipayton June 6th 2018, 8:48 am

Hi a very nice raw piece from Bath pottery. Its has a very nice feel in the hands - a very nice quality item
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Post by Bluesky123 June 9th 2021, 4:44 pm

Hi,

I am new here. I have this 2 pieces of pottery. Is this Richard Freeman work?


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Post by NaomiM June 9th 2021, 5:11 pm

Yes Most Excellent

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Post by Bluesky123 June 9th 2021, 5:54 pm

Thanks for your answer.
Can you guess when they were made and there worth ?
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Post by dantheman June 9th 2021, 6:00 pm

we don't do valuations but ebay completed listings and auction results might give you a ballpark value

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Post by Bluesky123 June 9th 2021, 6:26 pm

Thanks for your answers.
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Post by Neil62 July 27th 2023, 1:26 pm

NaomiM wrote:Ian said he found an RF mark
If it’s the one you exposed by some witchcraft (not saying you are a witch!!!) but definitely far too technical for mere mortals like me!
The r was on the left of the F bit like Ray Finch I think but not the slanted r!
This one is the same as one you posted on Pinterest …..with the other 55,999 😂😂
It occurred to me that Freeman apparently didn’t start potting at Bath until 56 (acc to Bible) when JS sold Bath to him.
No matter just wondered 😇
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Post by Neil62 July 27th 2023, 6:00 pm

Definitely not this RF mark Naomi
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Post by NaomiM July 27th 2023, 6:14 pm

Same as these ones by Richard Freeman at Vellow and then at Bath Potteries

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