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Post by sunnyices2 October 10th 2013, 1:44 pm

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Post by sunnyices2 October 10th 2013, 1:46 pm

my guess would be chinese... but the stoneware base is telling another story making me think maybe japanese
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Post by NaomiM October 10th 2013, 1:55 pm

Couldn't see a mark. Could be European. It looks very like the Finnish potter Stephanie kalan??? or something.

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Post by studio-pots October 10th 2013, 3:55 pm

The base suggests to be that it hasn't been thrown so I'm leaning towards it being factory made.

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Post by sunnyices2 October 10th 2013, 5:30 pm

No mark found on it... My gut feelings is Chinese early or mid 20th century something like that... Thanks guys for your opinion
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Post by studio-pots October 10th 2013, 5:34 pm

Early 21st century more like.

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Post by NaomiM October 10th 2013, 5:39 pm

Earlier I was thinking Kamini, Finland, but it's a different clay.

It could be by Stephanie Kalan as she did a lot of blue pieces, but they were usually signed S. Kalan on the base.

Could be tourist ware from Cyprus, but could also be mass produced import from Indonesia. It's a common glaze.

It doesn't look to me like a flambe glaze.



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Post by sunnyices2 October 16th 2013, 9:11 am

i went to see a dealer who also specialist on Chinese flambe and ceramics... he told me is defiantly hand thrown and the glazing is flambe.... he said if it was mass production it would be perfect at top rim which suggest to him that is hand thrown and also said this tea bowl defiantly have some age it to...but cannot tell me the maker or where is from... i thought i knew what is flambe just wanted to see what information i can get up here.
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Post by sunnyices2 October 16th 2013, 9:14 am

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Post by sunnyices2 October 16th 2013, 9:17 am

he said one thing is viewing an item in person, that online picture's... if picture's isn't well taken then it may tell another story..


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Post by studio-pots October 16th 2013, 9:55 am

sunnyices2 wrote:he said one thing is viewing an item in person, that online picture's... if picture's isn't well taken then it may tell another story..
That is the real problem with seeing images on here or only online in auctions - you need to touch them to judge a number of different aspects. Telling the age of an item is the most difficult thing from images.

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Post by studio-pots October 16th 2013, 9:57 am

What it is not though is a Japanese teabowl.

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Post by sunnyices2 October 16th 2013, 10:13 am

very true pots... i don't think is Japanese... to be frank with you i do not know.... if i was to guess i'd said European like naomim said or maybe an oriental on and off potter... who knows, with out a mark this is one lost item.
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Post by NaomiM October 16th 2013, 11:33 am

While this glaze was once rare and highly prized - as shown in the Chinese pieces in the auctions - today the glaze recipe is known and with modern kilns is quite easy to do. The base on your pot does not say oriental to me, but more like mass produced .

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Post by sunnyices2 October 16th 2013, 1:50 pm

speaking of which.... i purposely went to see that specialist base on the fact you said it isn't flambe but i knew all along it was flambe glaze.... i know Chinese item's because i have a lot of chinese item's at home....... have been collecting chinese item's now for more than 7 years.... in studio pottery aspect then you might be a specialist on that area QUOTE ( but more like mass produced) find me another one then i will take your word for it :).....
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Post by Potty October 17th 2013, 7:50 am

sunnyices2 wrote:and also said this tea bowl defiantly have some age it to..
He is either incorrect, or by "defiantly has some age to it" he is meaning under 30 years.

Technically speaking something made yesterday "has some age to it", just not a lot.

Something can be hand thrown in a factory.

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Post by NaomiM October 17th 2013, 11:38 am

i know Chinese item's because i have a lot of chinese item's at home....... have been collecting chinese item's now for more than 7 years
In that case, does the base look Oriental to you?

As for the glaze, ok, technically it's flambe but I was just saying that, along with the base, it didn't look like the Chinese flambe ( such as the examples you'd posted from the auction houses). Dartington pottery do a blue/red glaze which they call Ruskin. Other potteries also do a similar blue glaze, so it's not necessarily an indicator of an Oriental piece.

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Post by NaomiM October 17th 2013, 11:46 am

There have been several examples recently where members have posted items and just looked at the glaze when trying to id them. You have to look at the whole picture; the glaze, clay, base and form, and whether or not it's marked. Not simply focus on one aspect of the pot.

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Post by studio-pots October 17th 2013, 6:14 pm

To be fair to Sunny, Naomi, he had stated that he doesn't know where his bowl comes from and if he had to choose he would agree with your view that it is European.


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Post by Dannd October 18th 2013, 5:02 pm

Hello!

I am almost certain this is Chinese made for the western retail market probably part of a boxed tea set. I came across something almost identical the other day with very similar glaze only in red/grey, it was made of the same cement colored grainy stoneware material with a flat bottom as well with a "MADE IN CHINA" plastic sticker on the bottom in which case here I believe was probably removed or placed on the piece as a set where it was originally.
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Post by studio-pots October 18th 2013, 6:31 pm

Thank you for that Dannd, especially as it agrees with my feelings about the bowl. Cheeky

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Post by NaomiM October 18th 2013, 6:47 pm

Useful info Dannd.

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Post by sunnyices2 October 19th 2013, 8:19 pm

thanks guys and thanks danny... my reaction when i saw this was chinese or Japanese but after looking at the base i kinda rule out Chinese because the base tells another story rather than chinese... then thought again it could be chinese maybe a off and on potter just for the fun of it.... thanks for the information.
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Post by sunnyices2 November 8th 2013, 10:40 am

having said all of that, could this be dartington pottery just seen something a bit similar almost the same glazed, but this is rice bowl on ebay with the same base... google darlington images and seen something like that also with a dish plate and a bowl http://www.dartingtonpottery.co.uk/htdocs/potteryfiles/ruskinblue.htm
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Post by NaomiM November 8th 2013, 11:05 am

The glaze is very similar, but the clay looks too brown for Dartington.

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