Spode?

by **RoyJ99** Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:46 am

Bought this teapot yesterday at a car boot, mark is partially worn but I think it may be early Spode. Any comments?

Thank you.

by **Potty** Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:59 am

Looks late Victorian to me, I doubt it's a Spode mark to be honest, due to the decoration. But I may be wrong.

by **NaomiM** Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:10 am

I'm with Potty. Doesn't look like Spode to me either. Shape is late Victorian, but the mark is more likely to be 1920s-30s.

by **RoyJ99** Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:20 am

I can't think of any other makers with 4 letters starting with S and ending in E which it undoubtedly is. Also found a number of teapots at the following link made by spode which are very similar in design and colouration.

antiquesnavigator.com

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by **RoyJ99** Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:23 am

Also Spode are notorious for poorly applied marks and stamps. Came with a trivet as well for £5, may take it along to the local auctioneer house and see what they say.

by **NaomiM** Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:27 am

If you post a heading/title of the item from the webpage (as opposed to website address) for the spode examples you've found we can google it. I haven't found anything similar so far.

by **studio-pots** Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:52 am

It is absolutely not "early Spode" i.e. late 18th/early 19th century Josiah Spode as that would never have had Made in England on it.

It could be a W. T.Copeland & Sons Ltd. teapot, as they held the right to the Spode name, but it is certainly after 1891 due to England being part of the mark and I think Naomi's suggestion of 1920s to 1930s might well be right due to it saying Made in England. The problem that I have is that the S on your teapot is not in a font that I have been able to find used by Copelands when using the Spode mark.

by **Potty** Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:57 am

NaomiM wrote:I'm with Potty. Doesn't look like Spode to me either. Shape is late Victorian, but the mark is more likely to be 1920s-30s.

Agreed, late Victorian I think is possible, but it could well be later.

RoyJ99 wrote:I can't think of any other makers with 4 letters starting with S and ending in E which it undoubtedly is. Also found a number of teapots at the following link made by spode which are very similar in design and colouration.

4 Letters? Spode is 5 and apart from the S and possible E, I don't see how you could distinguish how many letters there are, from the picture anyway.

I expect there are many makers it could be, just because we don't know them does not mean they did not exist.

I think the mark may be initials e.g. S. & E. or something similar.

by **Potty** Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:00 am

Good point about "Made in England" something I should have noticed when I said late Victorian, I've spent too long looking at Studio Pots Cheeky

That's my excuse anyway Big Laughter

by **studio-pots** Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:06 am

Potty wrote:, I've spent too long looking at Studio Pots That's my excuse anyway

Now come on Potty you've never set eyes on me!

by **Potty** Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:09 am

Pink polo shirt, with a slightly overcast background Excellent

by **skay** Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:17 am

Potty wrote:Pink polo shirt, with a slightly overcast background

No, that was me Potty Spode? 300762064

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by **Potty** Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:26 am

Darn, you both look so alike! Big Laughter

by **skay** Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:32 am

You need to be more carefull Potty! And don't insult SP Naughty

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by **Potty** Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:39 am

by **RoyJ99** Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:50 am

Ok my bad, meant 5 letters. The number of letters is an educated guess looking at it closely under a jewlers loupe and the size of the mark, going by where the S starts it would be a very unusual mark if the writing extended way off to the right.

If you just go the the site I tried to post and search for teapot+copeland+spode you should get around 4 pages of results where you will see what I mean about the shape(I know this means nothing).

The made in England does not necessarily date it to after 1921, some companies used this long before they were required to, some even using it pre 1900.

I'm not trying to be difficult btw though it may seem like that lol. I am taking on board what you are posting but 1920's-1930's just doesn't fit for me, maybe it's more difficult to get the feel for the item with the photo's. It is very good quality and the colouration screams Staffordshire/Gaudy Welsh which would make it likely late Victorian, though some factories did produce into the 1920's.

S&E may be a good shout though Potty, will be spending a lot of time on this tonight I think.

Thanks all.

by **bistoboy** Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:25 am

RoyJ99 wrote:Ok my bad, meant 5 letters. The number of letters is an educated guess looking at it closely under a jewlers loupe and the size of the mark, going by where the S starts it would be a very unusual mark if the writing extended way off to the right.

If you just go the the site I tried to post and search for teapot+copeland+spode you should get around 4 pages of results where you will see what I mean about the shape(I know this means nothing).

The made in England does not necessarily date it to after 1921, some companies used this long before they were required to, some even using it pre 1900.

I'm not trying to be difficult btw though it may seem like that lol. I am taking on board what you are posting but 1920's-1930's just doesn't fit for me, maybe it's more difficult to get the feel for the item with the photo's. It is very good quality and the colouration screams Staffordshire/Gaudy Welsh which would make it likely late Victorian, though some factories did produce into the 1920's.

S&E may be a good shout though Potty, will be spending a lot of time on this tonight I think.

Thanks all.

Wondering if it's Sampson Bridgwood & Son ???? I would've dated it around 1900 btw

by **Potty** Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:28 am

Either way though, we can agree it's not early Spode, aka 1770-1833.

I do wonder if the "E" is actually a "B" or something else?

Part of the decoration appears to be "Blush Ivory", could help with your searches.

by **studio-pots** Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:19 am

RoyJ99 wrote:ng).

The made in England does not necessarily date it to after 1921, some companies used this long before they were required to, some even using it pre 1900.

"England" was added from around 1891 but the "Made in" suggests a later date and it also seems to rule out Copelands, as they only seemed to have used England and never "Made in England".

by **NaomiM** Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:07 am

RoyJ99 wrote:Ok my bad, meant 5 letters. The number of letters is an educated guess looking at it closely under a jewlers loupe and the size of the mark, going by where the S starts it would be a very unusual mark if the writing extended way off to the right.

If you just go the the site I tried to post and search for teapot+copeland+spode you should get around 4 pages of results where you will see what I mean about the shape(I know this means nothing).

The made in England does not necessarily date it to after 1921, some companies used this long before they were required to, some even using it pre 1900.

I'm not trying to be difficult btw though it may seem like that lol. I am taking on board what you are posting but 1920's-1930's just doesn't fit for me, maybe it's more difficult to get the feel for the item with the photo's. It is very good quality and the colouration screams Staffordshire/Gaudy Welsh which would make it likely late Victorian, though some factories did produce into the 1920's.

S&E may be a good shout though Potty, will be spending a lot of time on this tonight I think.

Thanks all.

Ok, I see a lot of teapots, but none with the same footing or handle shape, or colour combinations.
The shape, with the high front rim and the footing, harks back to a Regency style, so whichever company made it is copying a Regency form 100 years later, but with a Victorian colour palette.
Is the floral decoration raised on the surface?

by **RoyJ99** Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:42 am

Yes Naomi, bot the floral decoration and the gilt surrounding the flowers is raised. Apologies about the early Spode thing, me being an idiot actually meaning late 19th century rather than 20th century. Going to upload some more pics so you can all get a better look. Thanks for all the help, will check out the blush ivory and bridgwood leads.

by **RoyJ99** Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:52 am

by **RoyJ99** Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:23 am

Well the Bridgwood & Sons seems to have drawn a blank as well, this is proving to be a tricky one.

by **RoyJ99** Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:23 am

Update and bump.

This mark has now been ID'd as Swift and Elkin of Longton who produced during the mid 19th century. Strange with the "Made In England" but some producers did add this long before they were required.

by **NaomiM** Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:39 am

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