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Post by big ed on May 22nd 2013, 4:39 pm

Anybody got opinions on fakes and forgeries in the pottery world ( or any other for that matter) , I t occured to me surely it would be easier to fake the Hamada boxes rather than the pots and for paintings fake paintings in old frames would do the biz , faking the provenances would be the ultimate dupe surely ? no ?, yes ?, dunno myself , just wondering Rolling Eyes
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Post by Potty on May 22nd 2013, 4:51 pm

Some studio potters I think would be far easier to fake than others, Hamada being one in my opinion.

Luckily I guess, most potters are not collectable enough for people to try and fake, especially considering how much effort / skill the person making the fake would need to make a convincing copy.

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Post by brin mcardle on May 22nd 2013, 5:40 pm

I think that is a great point Potty...it would be a lot of effort for little gain
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Post by NaomiM on May 22nd 2013, 6:48 pm

I don't think you need to go to the trouble of faking anything. There are enough gullible buyers out there that you could simply write 'Troika' on the base with a permanent marker and some mug will believe it.

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Post by dantheman on May 22nd 2013, 6:51 pm

or just say it's by a famous and expensive potter who didn't sign his pots

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Post by NaomiM on May 22nd 2013, 6:51 pm

dantheman wrote:or just say it's by a famous and expensive potter who didn't sign his pots


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Post by NaomiM on May 22nd 2013, 6:52 pm

...although I'd probably get caught out on that one. Embarrassed

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Post by dantheman on May 22nd 2013, 6:55 pm

you wouldn't be the first

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Post by big ed on May 22nd 2013, 7:20 pm

dantheman wrote:or just say it's by a famous and expensive potter who didn't sign his pots

you mean like say somebody like .............oh I dunno ...off the top of my head that japanese potter chappy whatzisname , worked with Benny Lynch ...Err leach ,

Worth faking , they certainly are worth faking and have been since potters began .
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Post by NaomiM on May 22nd 2013, 7:50 pm

Svend Bayer and Richard Batterham would be another two.

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Post by Potty on May 22nd 2013, 8:01 pm

NaomiM wrote:Svend Bayer and Richard Batterham would be another two.

Now your giving people ideas Excellent

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Post by dantheman on May 22nd 2013, 8:07 pm

I'll give it a week then search on ebay for those 2 potters

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Post by studio-pots on May 22nd 2013, 8:09 pm

NaomiM wrote:Svend Bayer and Richard Batterham would be another two.

From experience nobody seems to want to buy real Svend Bayer pots for much less than his new work is priced at, so that's not a good idea...................... and Richard's work is considerably cheaper than that by anyone who could make a half decent copy of one of his pots.

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Post by big ed on May 22nd 2013, 8:54 pm

forgeries would have to be of established names long gone but valuable , you ain't gonna get rich on svend bayers , but you could on hamadas and others imo.
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Post by Davee on May 22nd 2013, 10:21 pm

i think if you spent the time and effort in getting the stamp or signature correct, the pot wouldn't matter, as Naomi says there are lots of gullible buyers out there who'll buy based on the name solely.

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Post by denbydump on June 4th 2014, 9:54 pm

I saw a studio piece recently (maybe Malvern) with the old Magic markered
"Troika" underneath. They've been sloshing around in the trade for years,
Tolcarne seems to be a favourite pot to re-mark. Also seen Porthleven.
I've heard of, but not seen fake troikas, where a mould
has been made from a genuine piece, but due to shrinkage in the kiln, it turns
out much smaller (up to 25%).
Just like the Sylvac and Whitefriars, even the experienced get caught out.
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Post by NaomiM on June 4th 2014, 10:02 pm

I bought 3 Carne pots off ebay years back that had Troika written on the base in permanent marker. I knew what I was buying so I got them really cheap, but I was daft enough to think I could get the marker off. It doesn't come off.

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Post by tenpot on June 5th 2014, 8:25 am

first thing is to get it identified on this forum. "Just found this on a videgrenier in france had to wash the mud of apparently came out of a deceased english politicians holiday house, any ideas on the mark? LR?"
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Post by NaomiM on June 5th 2014, 9:35 am

If only!  Laughter 

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Post by denbydump on June 6th 2014, 10:55 pm

Magic marker...
Meths is best, but if it's porous clay, and it soaks in, it is difficult.
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Post by NaomiM on June 6th 2014, 11:15 pm

Yes, that's the problem with Carn pottery. If only it was glazed.  Doh! 

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five faked Poole Pottery stamps

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Post by Mordeep on October 20th 2015, 10:47 pm

Not sure how much widespread faking goes on these days but back in the 90's pottery did get hit with amateur versions of famous names. The most obvious are Martin brothers with fake face jugs and bird tobacco jars, easy to spot if you hold them in your hand as 99% fakes are light pottery and the real thing are heavy stoneware. Moorcroft and as someone said before Poole as had its far share of copies. I am guessing if it could be faked and was popular you may well see poor versions or the now famous unmarked TRIAL Reciprocity examples that people try and make you believe are real.

The ones I am guessing that most should be looking out for right now though are the modern versions of some of the Art Deco and earlier European pottery. There is a man who stalls out at Kempton racecourse about once a month from Holland or Belgian I think. He has the molds to not only make some of these things but the rights to sign them with the original factory names. I often take a look to see what he is making, his work regularly pops up on the sale room at 2 to 3 times what he asks on his stall. I will try next time I am able to grab a brochure but unless your an expert I would stay clear of those small half dolls you know the ones that are just a face and torso, he always has a sea of them for sale. I would also stay clear of those very deco crackle glaze animals, vases with bands of animals marching round them, figures of deco sailors and other such obvious retro figures, There is a good chance they are a week old rather than 80 years.
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Post by 22 Crawford St. on October 20th 2015, 11:10 pm

"Anybody got opinions on fakes and forgeries in the pottery world "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1017897/Conman-cheats-art-lovers-thousands-pounds-auctioning-original-vases-himself.html

x10 years ago or more but this guy is an absolute disgrace (That is MY OPINION) and I keep coming back to him. I'm still shocked that I have seen this guys stuff up for sale on the internet. I'm assuming newly made?




The worst line in the whole article is "However Broadway did not tell officers where he had sold pieces."

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Why is this piece on ebay with this discription?



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JEREMY-BROADWAY-ELM-HOUSE-STUDIO-POTTERY-PORCELAIN-BOWL-Shades-of-Lucie-6616-/391295167844?hash=item5b1b026d64:g:8RgAAOSwI-BWIAbT

Jeremy Broadway

Elm House Studio Pottery

A small, saucer shape bowl of restrained thrown porcelain  with un-demonstrative if intense glazes. Shades of Lucie.

Now, after a long interlude, with his own studio, he’s unleashing teabowls and guinomis like this on an unsuspecting world.


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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jeremy-Broadway-Porcelain-Bowl-Lucie-Rie-Style-/111801733493?hash=item1a07e71175%3Ag%3AlZMAAOSw~bFWGrEt&nma=true&si=VduZJ1Y745heQ2RuRj7rfAPCfY0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Post by Potty on October 21st 2015, 1:06 pm

22 Crawford St. wrote:Why is this piece on ebay with this discription?

I think it's funny  Big Laughter

22 Crawford St. wrote:Now, after a long interlude, with his own studio, he’s unleashing teabowls and guinomis like this on an unsuspecting world.

He is using his own mark, so despite the obvious Rie-wannabe style pots, I can't see the problem.

Out of all the Rie-wannabe potters, his pots in my opinion are among the worst looking.

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