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Post by Potty on June 12th 2014, 2:57 am

studio-pots wrote:no one else is authorized to sign a box authenticating a piece as Hamada Shoji’s work.

That's quite interesting, considering what was for sale at an online auction recently.

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Post by studio-pots on June 12th 2014, 9:40 am

Indeed and together with "much of the standard dinnerware of the Hamada kiln was made by workers" it does suggest that even if we assume that the milk/cream jug in the wooden box signed by a well known Welsh potter was made in Hamada's pottery it is really only equivalent to Leach Standard ware!

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Post by big ed on June 12th 2014, 3:04 pm

I found that email very interesting and educational , I learned a little there , I did know that the Hamada style bottles were being churned out from Mashiko , because Iv'e had some myself , I hope this post goes someway to stopping the unauthorised attributions , ,signed boxes nonsense from carrying on .
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Post by NaomiM on June 12th 2014, 4:56 pm

Excellent  Very interesting and informative.

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Post by Jeffingtons on June 12th 2014, 7:11 pm

Fascinating thread. Personally I've found the insights more interesting than pretty much every Hamada pot I've ever seen
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Post by Potty on July 11th 2016, 9:36 am

I'm told Tomoo Hamada was asked about this bottle vase and he was certain it was not a Hamada piece.

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Post by studio-pots on July 11th 2016, 9:13 pm

Gosh your post brought back memories, Potty. Anything else to add?

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Post by Potty on July 11th 2016, 10:22 pm

Only that Tomoo said it was not a type of cobalt that he used I believe.

The bottle vase also recently sold on Ebay and going by the price I assume most thought it was not Hamada, though it did go for around £200.

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Post by studio-pots on July 11th 2016, 10:40 pm

That fits in with what the American potter, that I quoted above, said.

I found the vase on Ebay and to be honest don't think I would have recognised it, as the original image is missing from this thread now.

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Post by dantheman on September 27th 2016, 2:32 pm

do you have rights to the photo's?

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Post by armen on September 27th 2016, 2:41 pm

dantheman wrote:do you have rights to the photo's?
No, the photos are not mine, I was re-hosting the photos from eBay. I cannot currently post external links as my account is too young, but when it matures, I will post a link to an album off of the forum's servers.
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Post by dantheman on September 27th 2016, 2:51 pm

This thread had no pics as the photobucket account had lapsed plus we faced copyright issues so it's best we delete the whole lot



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Post by studio-pots on September 27th 2016, 4:19 pm

I think with or without images the thread is very informative as a warning to potential buyers of pots that they believe or are told to have been made by Shoji Hamada.

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Post by NaomiM on September 27th 2016, 6:33 pm

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dantheman wrote:do you have rights to the photo's?
No, the photos are not mine, I was re-hosting the photos from eBay.  I cannot currently post external links as my account is too young, but when it matures, I will post a link to an album off of the forum's servers.

Best to upload the photos to a Pinterest board and then post the links

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Post by armen on September 30th 2016, 3:41 am

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armen wrote:
dantheman wrote:do you have rights to the photo's?
No, the photos are not mine, I was re-hosting the photos from eBay.  I cannot currently post external links as my account is too young, but when it matures, I will post a link to an album off of the forum's servers.

Best to upload the photos to a Pinterest board and then post the links  

Pinterest is an abomination, so for everyone's benefit I will use another service. Here's a link, hopefully it stays up for a few years: https://imgur.com/a/YMPUw
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Post by NaomiM on September 30th 2016, 9:24 am

We have had problems with foreign Photo hosting sites which include pornographic adverts, and private web accounts on Photobucket and Flickr which are deleted after a year or so if not used regularly, which is why Pinterest is the prefered option.

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Post by hercules brabazon on September 30th 2016, 12:35 pm

I'm pretty sure that flickr doesn't, in practise, ever delete unused accounts, even though it may reserve the right to do so, and for posting your own images, in a nice clean format without weird pop-up adverts, it's pretty much ideal. It does however have strict rules banning the posting of images to which the user does not hold the copyright.
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Post by armen on September 30th 2016, 2:11 pm

Both Flickr and Pinterest require accounts - both to post, the latter to even view. Imgur, an offshoot of the site Reddit, will likely be up for many years, and requires no account to post or view. Sure, it shows ads, but so does this site, and they're G rated in any case.
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Post by dantheman on September 30th 2016, 4:58 pm

once you have signed in (I never sign out) you will never see an ad on this forum

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Post by philpot on October 15th 2016, 8:16 am

Does that bloomin advert for GOOGLE cHROME at the top of the page count?
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Never seen it. I use firefox with Ad block/Ad b+popup/noscript/and ghostery cookie blocker.
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