Re: R.B. - Alcobaca (Portugal)

by **R.Ferrao** on Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:11 pm

Hi Ed, this is all quite interesting. From what I understand this fake pieces are not from the 50's and 60's they're made recently, maybe to take advantage of the growing prices on the market. What is the piece in Millers guide? Is it one of these: http://www.millersantiquesguide.com/search/0/?more=item&keyword=fantoni&submitted=1&x=26&y=11
In the my three Millers guides the only piece I can find by Fantoni it's a lamp base with a knight figure, is it that? The problem is that Millers doesn't show pictures of the bases marks.

by **R.Ferrao** on Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:00 pm

Well, I don't know how this fake Fantoni conversation came about but it definetly has nothing to do with the RB - Alcobaca production. All the pieces made by the factory are well identified and, although clearly influenced by Italian production of the 50's, these are not imitations. European production of the 50's and 60's has strong inner connections, the Italians are also obviously influenced by the Germans, especially the Vietri production.

by **R.Ferrao** on Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:09 pm

Here is a another vase, shape 600, the same size as the one I posted before but even more clearly influenced by a certain kind of Italian production.

Here it is a very similar italian one:

http://www.millersantiquesguide.com/items/104334/a-1950s-italian-vase-with-/

by **big ed** on Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:15 pm

In the millers guide 2011 edition on page 75 there is a fantoni attribution valued at £300-500 by wallis & wallis auctions , base mark is clear , but as far as we have been told ,Fantoni never did anything like this and it's more akin to san marino pieces , which it is , they are exact same as San marino and painted signature on them , these are being made in the far east from a lighter clay ( easier to import) the conversation came about in the similarity of design to some of your pieces and San Marino , Not Fantoni .

by **big ed** on Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:17 pm

R.Ferrao wrote:Here is a another vase, shape 600, the same size as the one I posted before but even more clearly influenced by a certain kind of Italian production.

Here it is a very similar italian one:

http://www.millersantiquesguide.com/items/104334/a-1950s-italian-vase-with-/

Yes Rita , Very similar that's what I am saying, The Spanish pottery signed CASES also has these motifs.

by **R.Ferrao** on Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:51 pm

Hi Ed, thanks for the reference. I'll have to research for the CASES 50's and 60's production Excellent

R.B. - Alcobaca (Portugal)