Is this Facon de Venise?

Hi, posted this in the wrong section about a week ago and haven't had any takers. I bought this a couple of months ago where it was described as Facon De Venise, Salviati style.

Can anyone confirm for me, I would be very grateful for any help





Lilypot

Façon de Venise just means 'in the Venetian style', but I don't see any immediate reason to suspect that your item isn't from Italy.

I've a couple of books on older Italian glass that I'll dig out as soon as I get chance.

I am very grateful for the reply and thank you in advance if you can dig anything up for me

I just had a quick flick through my Murano glass books, but they didn't cast any light on the situation - quite the opposite.

Giovanni Mariacher's 'Italian Blown Glass' details two pieces with identically-formed 'wings' - one from the late 16th - early 17th century, and another from the late 16th century - both unattributed - but I'm fairly sure that yours is, at most, early 20th Century.

Unfortunately I don't know enough about Italian glass to pin it down any more than that. I couldn't find anything with a similar rim finish or colour from any of the main factories (not that my library is exhaustive on the subject, mind).

I thank you for your help anyway, it was described as 17th century but I was a little skeptical as, like you, I could not find a similar one

Hi Lily - please don't double post, there's no need - I actually moved your original thread to the right place at the time - I'll go and delete it now in case someone responds on that thread as well.

If you're expecting to get firm IDs in a week then I'm afraid you're probably going to be disappointed. IDs can take months or even years. There's a small hardcore of regular posters who come on this forum at various different times so you have to be patient. Often none of us can ID something and it takes a knowledgable stranger to happen upon your post by accident with some salient info.

So feel free to post your queries, as many as you like, but then you have to be patient I'm afraid.

Apologies for the error and the double post. Thanks for the advice, there's no rush on ID I am happy to sit it out.

Well I haven't a clue but the foot looks to be beautifully done - is this a rolled edge foot? Sorry but I can't add anymore except to ask that.

I believe it is known a roll edged and it is a magnificent piece of work. I admire the level of skill that goes into pieces like this which was the prime mover for buying it

lilypot2007 wrote:Apologies for the error and the double post. Thanks for the advice, there's no rush on ID I am happy to sit it out.

No worries Lily - if you find any of your posts slipping down into oblivion with no answers there's no problem at all with you bumping it back up to the top - we prefer that to double posting. Simply find your thread and add a reply saying *bump* - this will bring it back up to the top again. Just give your posts a couple of weeks at least before bumping them.

Appears I may have been about 15 years out with my 'early 20th Century' guess.

JP on t'other board suggests Salviati, c.1885 as a strong contender.

Old Murano is definitely not my strong point!

15 years is NOTHING Nic - I think you're being way too harsh on yourself. What I know about old Italian glass could probably be written on a pinhead.

Dunno, 15 years is a whole different century in this case.

Italian glass is very tricky, though, with so many designs being produced by so many companies, sometimes over periods spanning centuries. It definitely requires a nuanced eye!

A thank you and well done to those who posted replies. It was confirmed today by Bonhams to be circa 1890 Salviati Facon De Venise. Although its worth is currently incidental it was estimated at £300-400 in the current market. That may be a useful guide if any other member comes across one.
Thanks again

A small note about auction attributions - they're often just as guessy as anyone else's guesses because they're often quite generalist experts that they have on staff, so don't take everything they say as the last word.

Salviatti is still the most probable guess - but without original period sales catalogues it's impossible to say with strong conviction, and even then just as impossible to say for sure because of the Murano glassworks' habit of copying each other.

I'm still of the opinion that 'Salviatti Façon de Venise' is a bit of a misnomer - it's essentially saying 'Venetian glass in the style of Venetian glass'.

But a great find, nonetheless.