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Post by rob s on June 1st 2012, 1:49 pm

The white casing is white and quite thick, the rim is ground and very unlike the rim on other Empoli pieces i have.
My question is would this type of rim finish and white casing rule out Empoli as a possible attribution?

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Post by Nic on June 1st 2012, 2:28 pm

I've had a couple of Empoli pieces with cut and polished rims - so it wouldn't necessarily rule it out.
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Post by NaomiM on June 1st 2012, 4:27 pm

There are a lot of modern cased glass copies, made in China, in circulation, and ground down originals.
Useful guidelines from http://www.vmglasshouse.com/newsletter01.htm

Empoli Cased Glass

• always opaque

• usually 2 -3 layers of glass, visible on rim

• almost all have rounded, fire-polished rims. Avoid polished rims, it is not normal for vintage Empoli cased glass (though common to vintage Scandinavian cased glass)

• 2 different types:

• earlier (c. 1920's -70's), thick: 1/8"-1/4". Usually 3 layers: color (opaque or transparent), opaque white and transparent colorless. More traditional colors. Typically half have pontil marks.

• The later (1950's -70's) is much thinner (less than 1/8") and only 2 layers; either opaque color overlayed with clear or white overlayed with clear color. Brighter, more unusual colors. Rarely has pontil marks.

• avoid cased glass with thick crystal outer layers, particularly when a crystal layer is obvious from the edge of the base; this is often a sign of new production






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Post by NaomiM on June 1st 2012, 4:30 pm

To add, could it be missing it's top half?

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Post by rob s on June 1st 2012, 8:54 pm

thanks Nic & Naomi, I don't think the top half is missing, but, I could be wrong.
the base shows enough wear for it to be vintage,
I'm not sure I understand the part - Avoid polished rims, it is not normal for vintage Empoli cased glass (though common to vintage Scandinavian cased glass)

I'm now confused, lol.
If this is Empoli, then it is not vintage Empoli cased?

and

If this is Scandinavian, then it is Vintage Scandinavian cased?

If either, would the style not suggest around the same time period?

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Post by NaomiM on June 1st 2012, 10:17 pm

Ah, well without a pic of the base it looked like a cut down gul vase.

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Post by rob s on June 1st 2012, 10:25 pm

sorry about that, I was hoping for Empoli to be ruled out, but maybe it seems more and more likely to be modern Empoli with added wear to base.
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