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Post by fuzzyedges on July 25th 2011, 11:44 am

I am fairly confident that (just attaching target to be shot down) these are whitefriers and after much googling Frustrated that they are patterns 9656 & 9572 (I hadn't realised there was two types of the so called hambone shape so I thought one wasn't WF )

Its the colours I am not sure about

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Once I know what the colours are I will moddify the pic and this can be shifted to the correct thread in whitefriers post 1960
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Post by Davee on July 25th 2011, 2:09 pm

I can't see your pics as the system at work where I am now blocks picture hosting services, but a 9572 is not a hambone, it is a shorter version of the 9571 bud vase. I do see them listed on ebay a lot as hambone vases.

When I get home i'll have a proper look.

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Post by fuzzyedges on July 25th 2011, 2:57 pm

You can see from the pics why there is a bit of confusion then
I dont collect whitefriers but I like encased glass
I bought a hambone a while back and the other only recently from a car boot (portugese/ scandiavian he said ?) but side by side there is obvious differences, either differently manufactured or a different manufacturer
Hence my google search
Even Pips post https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t3492-whitefriars-glass-post-1960s#28798 confused me as one looks wider than the other Probably one was photographed at a slightly different angle to the other
Did Whitefriars seriously call this a hambone or is it dealer/ collector speak and the other a cut down bud vase or does everybody call both of them hambones "cos thats wot they Look like guv"
Hence my ignorance Thank you for the enlightenment Davee
I will adjust the pic when all the facts are in and re post it in the right thread

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Post by Davee on July 25th 2011, 7:10 pm

Its difficult to tell the difference from the pictures, but the 9656 should be fatter with wider 'hips'. Not sure about the origin of the name. The 9572 looks like Lilac and the 9656 is possibly midnight blue but don't quote me on that as its difficult to tell colours on a monitor.

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Post by fuzzyedges on July 25th 2011, 7:49 pm

It is difficult when they are side by side looking at them head on never mind in a photo
But as the text says the 9656 is 1" wider and made of thicker glass
The other differance is the encased glass starts from the opening on the 9656 where as on the 9572 it seems to be greater at the opening
Ive done some more googling and on
http://www.whitefriars.com/catalogues/contents.php?Id=1196&id=326
It shows 9572 with what I believe are the intials of colours it was made in K P R
and the 9656 C K P R This is from the 1969 catalogue and the inference of the initials is from a spurious remark on a forum
"a 9775 lobed vase and I see in the catalogue for 1974 that it was made in the colours FKLRS. Is the S silver"
I could be wrong but as there is no key I can only guess
K kingfisher
P pewter
R ruby
C copper
Which makes the 9572 pewter and the 9656 kingfisher blue (although that might not be what k stands for as this is a more green blue)

Edit C could be cinnamon
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Post by Davee on July 25th 2011, 8:00 pm

The 9572 is definately not Kingfisher. If you check the later catalouges eg 1974 you will see an L appers as one of the colour options.

This is Kingfisher, hope you don't mind me using one of your pics Ed Laughter

https://servimg.com/view/12165360/491

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Post by fuzzyedges on July 25th 2011, 8:40 pm

I see what you mean 9656 is definatly not kingfisher
I never thought to trawl all the catalogues up to 1980
And 9656 has the additional colours
A aqua
G gold
L lilac
S/B sky blue

So I reckon 9656 is Aqua (a greeny blue )
But googling can lead you way up a creek without propulsion
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Post by Nic on July 26th 2011, 1:02 am

Left vase is definitely Lilac, right vase is most likely Pewter.

Aqua is a very bright green/blue, and wasn't cased.
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Post by big ed on July 26th 2011, 9:42 am

I would have thought the one on the right was Willow.
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Post by Davee on July 26th 2011, 10:05 am

The blue/green colours are sometimes hard to pinpoint in the flesh let alone on a monitor

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Post by Nic on July 26th 2011, 10:16 am

The vase on the right is a blue-ish grey on my monitor, which would be Pewter. But if it's a grey-ish green in reality, then it would be Willow.
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Post by big ed on July 26th 2011, 10:27 am

The pieces I have had pewter is basically just grey , bluish grey is indigo , this looks a match for a willow vase on page 137 of whitefriars glass book .
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Post by Nic on July 26th 2011, 1:16 pm

Uncased or thicker pieces of Pewter tend to have a blue-tint to them in my experience, whereas Silver is generally an out-and-out grey.

Willow is a very Scandinavian-y smoked green, and Indigo is more a grey-ish blue than a blue-ish grey.
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Post by Nic on July 26th 2011, 1:20 pm

This is the only photo of WF's Pewter I have to hand - it's very thin and uncased, but the subtle blue-tint should be showing through.

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Post by Nic on July 26th 2011, 1:24 pm

And Willow:

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Post by big ed on July 26th 2011, 1:24 pm

http://www.whitefriars.com/colours.php

Some colours used by whitefriars ,
Nic the colours I have based my thoughts on were all in the textured and knobbly range , so maybe there are variations . Shrugs
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Post by Nic on July 26th 2011, 1:28 pm

Oh, aye, everything I've written is just from my own experience too - WF were quite widely variable with some of their colourways.
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Post by fuzzyedges on July 26th 2011, 8:16 pm

Thanks the three of you for the info
From knowing little about hambones I now know a little more
9656 is the hambone and 9572 is the shorter version of 9571 bud vase
9656 is wider by an inch and heavier than 9572
The 9572 above is in lilac and 1974 was the only year it was used
The 9656 above is willow green (from the photo you can see a trace of green Now it has been pointed out in real life you can see the green Especially if you look at the edge of the encased glass ) This colour was used 1965-1967
The whitefriers.com site catalogues dont list everycolour that was used on the 9656 & 9572 which confused me
I found this site handy for names and years of colours although as it says its work in progress
http://www.whitefriarsorg.org/a2-information/colour-list.htm
Last of all I found out that contary to what a lot of people seem to think the 9572 is not a 9571 with its neck shortened The 9752 is in its own right a different piece as it is 1/2" wider at 3 1/2"
I bet there are some 9571's with broken necks that are now 9572,s but only measure 3" across
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