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Post by climberg64 July 23rd 2011, 10:28 pm

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When I picked this up I thought it was Jill Dick but it's not quite the same. Gorgeous 8" vase.
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Post by dantheman July 24th 2011, 6:48 am

I haven't seen tenmoku glaze used like that before,is it unusual to paint designs on a pot with it?

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Post by climberg64 July 24th 2011, 6:46 pm

I think the design was painted on with iron which gives a rust colour either before or after a dip in the tenmoku. Usually the iron is used with an ash glaze as in the '(Badly stained) teapot' posted at the same time.

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Post by lindylou08 April 24th 2014, 6:18 pm

Hi
I'm no birdwatcher but I come across so many of these LBJs ( little brown jobs), some of which I quite like.
This is one of those , the photo makes it appear darker than it is, it is fact brown rather than black. White slip decoration on both sides and an impressed monogram which appears to be JC.   15cm high

Jack Crisp (not Joan Crawford/Faithfull) Dscn6210    Jack Crisp (not Joan Crawford/Faithfull) Dscn6211

Any ideas gratefully received . Thanks
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Post by climberg64 April 24th 2014, 7:09 pm

I have one or maybe two with this mark but never been able to ID them. Would be very keen to know so I can tick them off my unknown list  Happy 
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Post by NaomiM June 11th 2014, 5:35 pm

Edited to say, it’s NOT JC for Joan Crawford.
She married in 1958 and changed her name to Joan Faithful so the JC mark is an early piece and can be dated pre 1958. She potted on Mull and Dalkeith


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Post by climberg64 June 11th 2014, 5:51 pm

Hmm. The two vases I have don't look old enough to be pre 58. Is there any more evidence?
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Post by NaomiM June 11th 2014, 5:54 pm

That's the mark in Yates-Owen. I assume that's where the info came from on the ebay listing -

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/175077504239022197/

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Post by NaomiM June 11th 2014, 5:55 pm

http://www.hmag.gla.ac.uk/john/pots/Joan.htm

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Post by climberg64 June 11th 2014, 6:00 pm

Shame there doesn't seem to be a contact on the web page
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Post by NaomiM June 11th 2014, 6:14 pm

These pages are maintained by Dr. John Faithfull - Curator in Geology. They are not part of the official Web pages of the Hunterian Museum - any material here is entirely my own responsibility. Some of these pages may be of professional interest to geologists, mineral collectors or museum persons. Others may not be of interest to anybody. Some bits of these pages don't work at all yet - apologies for any disappointment this causes.

J.Faithfull@MUSEUM.GLA.AC.UK

Maybe he's her son? Seems a bit of a coincidence that there are pots on a geologist's page and they share a surname.

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Post by studio-pots June 11th 2014, 6:21 pm

It says in BSPM that Joan Crawford's mark is either painted or incised, which doesn't tie in and I agree with climberg64 that this pot doesn't look pre-1958. Also it doesn't look like Joan Crawford/Faithfull's work as found on the internet - all the early stuff seems to be earthenware.

Just because an Ebay seller, whose knowledge of studio pottery is unknown to us, says that the pot they are selling with this mark is by Joan Crawford is absolutely no proof at all.

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Post by NaomiM June 11th 2014, 6:26 pm

Mark looks incised to me.

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Post by climberg64 June 11th 2014, 6:27 pm

NaomiM wrote:
These pages are maintained by Dr. John Faithfull - Curator in Geology. They are not part of the official Web pages of the Hunterian Museum - any material here is entirely my own responsibility. Some of these pages may be of professional interest to geologists, mineral collectors or museum persons. Others may not be of interest to anybody. Some bits of these pages don't work at all yet - apologies for any disappointment this causes.

J.Faithfull@MUSEUM.GLA.AC.UK

Maybe he's her son? Seems a bit of a coincidence that there are pots on a geologist's page and they share a surname.

Anyone fancy asking him?
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Post by lindylou08 June 11th 2014, 6:36 pm

studio-pots wrote:It says in BSPM that Joan Crawford's mark is either painted or incised, which doesn't tie in and I agree with climberg64 that this pot doesn't look pre-1958. Also it doesn't look like Joan Crawford/Faithfull's work as found on the internet - all the early stuff seems to be earthenware.

Just because an Ebay seller, whose knowledge of studio pottery is unknown to us, says that the pot they are selling with this mark is by Joan Crawford is absolutely no proof at all.


After all someone is trying to pass the mark off as belonging to Shoji Hamada   Shrugs   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nb the mark on my LBJ looks impressed rather than incised
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Post by studio-pots June 11th 2014, 6:39 pm

"pass the mark off" whatever do you mean?  Cheeky

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Post by lindylou08 June 11th 2014, 6:55 pm

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Post by NaomiM June 11th 2014, 6:56 pm

climberg64 wrote:
NaomiM wrote:
These pages are maintained by Dr. John Faithfull - Curator in Geology. They are not part of the official Web pages of the Hunterian Museum - any material here is entirely my own responsibility. Some of these pages may be of professional interest to geologists, mineral collectors or museum persons. Others may not be of interest to anybody. Some bits of these pages don't work at all yet - apologies for any disappointment this causes.

J.Faithfull@MUSEUM.GLA.AC.UK

Maybe he's her son? Seems a bit of a coincidence that there are pots on a geologist's page and they share a surname.

Anyone fancy asking him?

Fine, I'll ask him. *wuss*  Laughter 

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Post by NaomiM June 11th 2014, 7:07 pm

NaomiM wrote:JC for Joan Crawford.
She married in 1958 and changed her name to Joan Faithful so the JC mark is an early piece and can be dated pre 1958. She potted on Mull and Dalkeith


oops, typo: Joan Faithfull

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Post by big ed June 11th 2014, 7:26 pm

NaomiM wrote:Mark looks incised to me.

it's impressed .
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Post by NaomiM June 11th 2014, 7:35 pm

Well I've emailed him. Hopefully he'll have a mark for comparison.

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Post by studio-pots June 11th 2014, 8:39 pm

From what he has written on his site she does appear to be his mother - he talks about pots by his mother and father and there is one by Mr. Faithfull sr. on another page of the site.

However, he doesn't appear to have a great deal of information or knowledge of their work from what he has put on the site. We'll see.

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Post by climberg64 June 12th 2014, 7:52 am

NaomiM wrote:Well I've emailed him. Hopefully he'll have a mark for comparison.

Thanks Naomi  Happy 
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Post by NaomiM September 3rd 2014, 12:15 pm

Joan Faithfull's son confirmed the mark is not his mother's.
Possibly by a Jack Crisp, Yorkshire, c.1980s


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Post by climberg64 November 22nd 2015, 12:27 pm

Thanks Naomi. Googling him gets a handful of possibles. Any more definite evidence you have seen?
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