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Post by lilypot2007 on January 28th 2011, 7:04 pm

Hi, posted this in the wrong section about a week ago and haven't had any takers. I bought this a couple of months ago where it was described as Facon De Venise, Salviati style.

Can anyone confirm for me, I would be very grateful for any help

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Post by Nic on January 28th 2011, 8:08 pm

Façon de Venise just means 'in the Venetian style', but I don't see any immediate reason to suspect that your item isn't from Italy.

I've a couple of books on older Italian glass that I'll dig out as soon as I get chance.
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Post by lilypot2007 on January 28th 2011, 8:10 pm

I am very grateful for the reply and thank you in advance if you can dig anything up for me
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Post by Nic on January 28th 2011, 8:43 pm

I just had a quick flick through my Murano glass books, but they didn't cast any light on the situation - quite the opposite.

Giovanni Mariacher's 'Italian Blown Glass' details two pieces with identically-formed 'wings' - one from the late 16th - early 17th century, and another from the late 16th century - both unattributed - but I'm fairly sure that yours is, at most, early 20th Century.

Unfortunately I don't know enough about Italian glass to pin it down any more than that. I couldn't find anything with a similar rim finish or colour from any of the main factories (not that my library is exhaustive on the subject, mind).
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Post by lilypot2007 on January 28th 2011, 8:59 pm

I thank you for your help anyway, it was described as 17th century but I was a little skeptical as, like you, I could not find a similar one
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Post by flying free on January 29th 2011, 10:52 pm

Well I haven't a clue but the foot looks to be beautifully done - is this a rolled edge foot? Sorry but I can't add anymore except to ask that.
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Post by lilypot2007 on January 29th 2011, 11:18 pm

I believe it is known a roll edged and it is a magnificent piece of work. I admire the level of skill that goes into pieces like this which was the prime mover for buying it
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Post by Nic on January 31st 2011, 7:38 pm

Appears I may have been about 15 years out with my 'early 20th Century' guess. Embarrassed

JP on t'other board suggests Salviati, c.1885 as a strong contender.

Old Murano is definitely not my strong point! Laughter
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Post by Nic on January 31st 2011, 8:06 pm

Dunno, 15 years is a whole different century in this case. Laughter

Italian glass is very tricky, though, with so many designs being produced by so many companies, sometimes over periods spanning centuries. It definitely requires a nuanced eye!
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Post by lilypot2007 on February 2nd 2011, 6:53 pm

A thank you and well done to those who posted replies. It was confirmed today by Bonhams to be circa 1890 Salviati Facon De Venise. Although its worth is currently incidental it was estimated at £300-400 in the current market. That may be a useful guide if any other member comes across one.
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Post by Nic on February 2nd 2011, 7:14 pm

A small note about auction attributions - they're often just as guessy as anyone else's guesses because they're often quite generalist experts that they have on staff, so don't take everything they say as the last word.

Salviatti is still the most probable guess - but without original period sales catalogues it's impossible to say with strong conviction, and even then just as impossible to say for sure because of the Murano glassworks' habit of copying each other.

I'm still of the opinion that 'Salviatti Façon de Venise' is a bit of a misnomer - it's essentially saying 'Venetian glass in the style of Venetian glass'. Laughter

But a great find, nonetheless. Clap
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