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Post by dabeachiegirls Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:17 pm

I am concerned that this decanter is a fake holmegaard. I do not see any pictures anywhere with a "teak" stopper. Further, this decanter is sooo light! Not at all the weight of my Aristocrat Decanter.

Opinions please?

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Post by Nic Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:12 pm

Perfectly legitimate Kastrup 'Opaline' series decanter, designed by Jacob E. Bang in 1960. In production 1960 - 1965.

Nice find!
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Post by dabeachiegirls Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:07 pm

Wow, okay, it is just so light...it has no weight to it and the bottom is nice and shiny. Those two things made me think it was a possible fake. My Holmegaard Aristocrat Decanter is HEAVY compared to this one. I have two other pieces I bought awhile back, perhaps close to a year when I began to want to expand my collection to European glass. I will post pictures of the two...one was suggested to be a Murano piece and the other, a possible Holmegaard. Of those, I really have no clue what I have.

Thanks for the help!

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Post by HarderNet.dk Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:02 pm

Nic wrote:Perfectly legitimate Kastrup 'Opaline' series decanter, designed by Jacob E. Bang in 1960. In production 1960 - 1965.

Nice find!

Not sure that I agree that this is one is from the Opaline series, think the shape is wrong and the finish at the top i wrong, so I do not think it is a Holmegaard Glasswork item.
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Post by Nic Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:33 pm

I've only ever spotted them in the USA, so they might not have been in the strict 'Opaline' series, and instead could have been designed specifically for Raymor to export to America, but they're definitely Kastrup. The third bottle in the following image still bears its original factory label, and underneath is the Raymor export label with the Kastrup form number 7648:

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Post by Pip Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:59 pm

Gorgeous - I LOVE them!

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Post by HarderNet.dk Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:20 pm

Nic wrote:I've only ever spotted them in the USA, so they might not have been in the strict 'Opaline' series, and instead could have been designed specifically for Raymor to export to America, but they're definitely Kastrup. The third bottle in the following image still bears its original factory label, and underneath is the Raymor export label with the Kastrup form number 7648:

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Have seen them put up for sale on Ebay a while back, but only the one to the right seems to be from Kastrup Glasswork but not Opaline series it is too thick around the waist and the stopper is wrong. Could also be found in different places and added a homemade stopper and text, just a thought not very keen on the export theory.
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Post by Nic Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:48 pm

I've another example of the 'Gin' decanter with the printed text, so it's definitely been added in a factory. It also has the same stopper.

Also, I've an example in Kastrup 'Lila' with the same stopper (but painted grey).

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Post by HarderNet.dk Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:14 pm

Still I find it od that no documentation or catalogue is turned that mention or shown thiese design with attribute to Kastrup Glasswork, so until some documents turn, think I still will have my doubts on the two other items and still I do not think that the text has been done by Kastrup
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Post by Nic Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:44 pm

Kastrup oddities do turn up, though - although, admittedly, not as often as they do for Holmegaard. I've an Opaline-style table lamp with wicker wrap and a frosted exterior like the lamps Kastrup made for Fog og Mørup. Not been able to find another one anywhere, nor mention of my one.

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Post by Christine Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:56 pm

If they were made for a specific exporter or retailer, they wouldn't be in the catalogues. Many glass companies have undocumented lines.
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Post by Nic Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:36 pm

Agreed. I know Kastrup definitely made glass for Fog & Mørup lighting, as well as Nordisk Solar lighting, that only appeared in the lighting factories' own catalogues - even if they were designed by Kastrup designers like Jacob Bang.

It's not so much of a stretch to assume that they might have done the same with tableware for Raymor - who were a HUGE importer of Scandinavian and Italian decorative arts in America during the 1950s and 60s - if these decanters only usually turn up in the 'States and at least one of them has a Kastrup design number.
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Post by Nic Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:24 am

The 'vodka' decanter is Kastrup form 7647. As mentioned previously, the 'gin' decanter is form 7648.

Just spotted a pair, again in the USA, with their original Raymor export labels, which always bear the factory form number with the abbreviation 'KAS' (for Kastrup).
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