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Post by Pip on Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:37 am

There's a bit of a hoo haa going on on another board about an eBay seller allegedly faking Troika - do a UK eBay search for 'Troika tray' then look at all three listings by the same seller.

I personally believe they're wronguns and the seller already has two negs for allegedly selling fakes - any opinions?

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Post by dantheman on Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:46 am

the pic seems very strange....I can't quite put my finger on why?

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Post by Pip on Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:56 am

... I think they're counterfeit... I'm going to keep my eye on this seller. Interestingly - I've just found this eBay listing also saying that they're fakes (although whether it's the seller that's faking them as the listing suggests I wouldn't like to speculate):-

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Post by dantheman on Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:25 am

at last we see someone with backbone standing up and being counted Shrugs

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Re: Alleged counterfeit Troika

Post by big ed on Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:59 am

I remember blanks being sold on ebay that supposedly came from troika , fair enough , what he's doing is basically colouring them in and flogging them as the artists real deal , it doesn't matter who painted them he is the one selling them therefore he is responsable , Dan I don't think all the backbone in the world will stop it , Ebay don't give a monkeys , remember the fake drunken bricklayers , .
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Post by Pip on Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:47 am

That listing won't stay long - eBay will remove it because it 'names and shames' unfortunately but good on them for trying to alert people to the issue.

Those blanks Ed - were they Troika do you think? I don't suppose you remember the seller or listing details?

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Post by big ed on Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:56 am

Pip, I don't remember the seller , the listing said unused troika blanks that were just left over , they were on ebay twice about two yrs ago at about 20 -30, I remember them because I thought about buying one but decided they looked carp , the tray or dish has all the right credentials ,but if the guy says the paint is coming off then they have not been fired , it makes you sick the things some people do to make a buck .
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Post by Pip on Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:07 am

Apparently Troika did sell some original blanks, but what's more worrying is the fact that the original factory moulds were also sold at some point so there's a possibility that once the original blanks have been fraudulently painted and sold more could be made...

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Post by big ed on Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:11 am

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Re: Alleged counterfeit Troika

Post by Pip on Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:17 am

I've invited the person who's trying to bring these fakes to light to join us here so it can be discussed more and see if there's anyway this board can help.

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Re: Alleged counterfeit Troika

Post by ade0915 on Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:34 am

Hi all
The original blanks or biscuit pieces were genuine, they were purchased as a job lot from the closed Newlyn pottery in 1983 by a private collector. They have been available to purchase over the last few years. Thye were purchased by Troika collectors as an example of the process of the manufacture to add to collections.
Obviously some have fallen into the wrong hands and have been repainted.
The pieces appear cold painted and the colours are very wrong, sometimes very bright, combine this with inconsistent markings and overpaint then you have a potentially faked piece, you may also find that the colours will come away with a bit of help, especially the base marks. The inside should be smooth gloss white/ cream glaze. We have seen around 25 pieces sold lately by various parties, we also suspect that larger high value pieces have been re moulded and sold.
Alot of people have been duped and someones made alot of money.
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Post by Pip on Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:51 am

Ade, please only add pictures that are yours or where you have obtained permission from the copyright holder to reproduce them here - for any you don't have permission to use just provide a link to the original image.

Here's how to upload images.
http://fatlava.forummotion.com/how-to-faqs-f5/how-to-upload-photographs-to-your-post-t6.htm

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Post by ade0915 on Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:10 pm

Of course Pip, I have had a look at the copyright section!
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Post by Pip on Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:52 pm

Cheers Ade :-)

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Re: Alleged counterfeit Troika

Post by dantheman on Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:11 am

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330302455584

latest update

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Post by dantheman on Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:24 am

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280304206763

it seems the news of this scam is spreading

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Post by dantheman on Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:27 am

but still there are mugs who haven't read the news geek

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260350512433

I suppose if you are daft enough to pay 100 for seaside souvenir pottery then you're daft enough to buy fake seaside souvenir pottery Laughter

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Re: Alleged counterfeit Troika

Post by big ed on Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:44 pm

A troika plate /dish or whatever you call it ,sold recently for way under the normal price ,this sadly is due to the uncertainty by collectors as to wether it is fake or not , the trouble these people cause is inexcusable , I even remember someone years ago saying he knew a guy signing John Ditchfield pieces ,, anyway must dash the paint has started dripping off my new picasso Laughter
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Post by Davee on Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:28 pm

Any thoughts......

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TROIKA-POTTERY-VASE-EARLY-TROIKA_W0QQitemZ280383245599QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_PotteryPorcelain_Glass_PotteryPorcelain_China_SM?hash=item414824cd1f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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Re: Alleged counterfeit Troika

Post by Pip on Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:43 pm

I'm no expert on Troika but it looks all wrong - the pottery, the decoration and that signature. If you read the seller's gumph he's almost telling buyers to make up their own minds about it ....

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Post by Davee on Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:59 pm

The seller obviously knows its not right and is trying to distance himself from it by adding the line about making up your own mind!
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Re: Alleged counterfeit Troika

Post by Pip on Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:40 am

yes so it would seem. I've checked their feedback though and they're not a serial seller of faked Troika (unlike the other fella mentioned at the top of this thread). If Troika were still in production then it would be a much easier job for these fakes to be removed from sale (via VERO) since they're not I'm not sure what can be done other than highlighting them here.

Thanks for bringing this one to our attention Davee :-)

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Re: Alleged counterfeit Troika

Post by big ed on Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:50 am

No way is that troika , never in amillion yonks.
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Re: Alleged counterfeit Troika

Post by nick1512 on Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:36 am

Take a look at the latest piece on e.bay claiming to be a troika style mask by Louise Jinks.Reserve not met at 70. Any opinions?
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Re: Alleged counterfeit Troika

Post by Pip on Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:47 pm

To be fair to the seller they do attempt to point out the doubt surrounding the authenticity of this mask in their listing description. I think it's a thoroughly revolting piece, regardless of whoever's responsible for making it!

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