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Post by philpot Mon May 23, 2022 7:02 am

Same old Studio. Auctioneers acting under outdated laws which does not give the general public the protection of normal consumer law.
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Post by dantheman Mon May 23, 2022 8:28 am

just because I like to play Devil's advocate Phil; Have you ever returned a pot that you bought at an antiques fair because you failed to spot damage when you bought it?

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Post by studio-pots Mon May 23, 2022 11:04 am

dantheman wrote:just because I like to play Devil's advocate Phil; Have you ever returned a pot that you bought at an antiques fair because you failed to spot damage when you bought it?

My quote above does cover damage but, perhaps, more importantly covers everything else such as whether it was made by the person that they and the vendor say that it was made by. As a dealer, if I say a pot was made by Joanna Constantinidis then I am guaranteeing that she made it and, if the buyer at any point in the future finds out that it was not made by her and can show me the evidence then I would refund in full upon return of the item. My view is that anything other than that action is dishonest.


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Post by 22 Crawford St. Mon May 23, 2022 11:28 am

I think we are all forgetting that auctions were traditionally for dealers not the general public. Auctioneers had to keep their dealers happy as they bought the lions share of what was being sold. They all know each other. It was a sale for the trade. Now because of all the TV programmes and the internet along comes Joe public and at times he's getting fleeced. i would suggest that everyone had bad experiences at auctions at some point, along with pubs there are legions of dodgy things that can happen.
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Post by croker Mon May 23, 2022 1:54 pm

Far too many buyers are are inexperienced at buying at auction and when they make a mistake they blame the auction house ,they would be better by far seeking out a good dealer or gallery to buy from ,in the past when we dealt at fairs our items were vetted before the fair opened , but at auctions and places like Newark etc i think buyers need a certain amount of knowledge of restoration and rightness to buy with confidence if not mistakes will be made .Misattributions by auction houses can very often work in the favour of the knowledgeable buyer and be very profitable. Most good auction houses will accept a return for a wrong attribution or if an item turns out to be faked.
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Post by NaomiM Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:15 pm

Rob Wheeler collection of studio pottery at Mallams, Oxford, 8th December


https://www.mallams.co.uk/sales/oxford/design-1/

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Post by croker Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:31 pm

Most of the sale given over to very traditional items from the Wheeler collection, mainly Cardew and Leach school of moderate interest with no real outstanding pieces although there's plenty of it.
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Post by NaomiM Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:46 pm

Yes, I had a look through it but nothing appealed; a lot of "brown pots" Big Laughter

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Post by philpot Thu Nov 10, 2022 7:21 pm

Yes indeed. I skipped through it this morning. Some interesting Cardew pieces but generally it was a bread-and-butter sale you might say. A great deal there the aspiring collector, but no really Gosh Wow pieces
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Post by studio-pots Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:55 pm

I think there are still several people around that collect Winchcombe slipware and early Leach stuff and there does appear to be a renewed interest in Beano's work. However, there's so much of the general stuff coming onto the market these days that I don't know how it's finding new homes.

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Post by philpot Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:24 pm

https://www.mallams.co.uk/sales/oxford/design-1/?p=1&s=160&v=list#lot-500

The results of the recent auction. As was said, a Bread and butter auction. One will probably find a fair selection of that appearing on Ebay.
Interestingly this was the collection of Ron and Norma Wheeler. Ron Wheeler was a large collector and authority of Winchcombe pottery. He also wrote  couple of books on Winchcombe Pottery and Potters .

Ron Wheeler's Obituary in the Guardian. Well worth reading by us collectors!
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/21/ron-wheeler-obituary
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Post by 22 Crawford St. Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:30 pm

There seems to be so much brown stuff about, the market seems flooded has it always been like this?
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Post by NaomiM Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:34 pm

22 Crawford St. wrote:There seems to be so much brown stuff about, the market seems flooded has it always been like this?

I think it’s that pre-war generation. Post-2000 the pots are a lot more colourful but that’s not the generation that’s dying off yet.

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Post by studio-pots Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:36 pm

No but this kind of thing was collected 20 to 30 years ago and it is now coming back onto the market. I was around then and would have considered buying at this auction, if it had happened in 2002, but even I have moved on!!!

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Post by studio-pots Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:40 pm

NaomiM wrote:
22 Crawford St. wrote:There seems to be so much brown stuff about, the market seems flooded has it always been like this?

I think it’s that pre-war generation. Post-2000 the pots are a lot more colourful but that’s not the generation that’s dying off yet.

This was what was selling when I began dealing in the 1990s. The more colourful stuff, generally my female ceramicists, that was popular in the 1980s had gone off the boil and you couldn't get rid of most of it, with the exception of some of the more expensive pieces.

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Post by philpot Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:07 pm

https://www.mallams.co.uk/auction/details/ox-modern-art--design/?au=498&pn=5&g=1
The Mallams Design sale starting May 17. The link takes you to page 5, and the pottery starts from Lot 501. Interesting sale. A number of early Bernard Leach and Michael Cardew, several Ian Godfrey, 3 John Ward, a Jennifer Lee. Also a good selection of the standard items. Buyer's premium is now 30%! Plus more if you are using the Saleroom or such like.
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Post by croker Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:34 pm

Hi philpot, I think a fairly good sale with the star piece for me in the pottery section being the large Jennifer Lee,a similar pot was sold in Bonhams in 1993 for £430 . The Ward pots are ok but i doubt that i will be bidding as i have similar, the Bernard leach dishes surely can only be classed as attributed as unmarked with his seal and as for the dish with 1953 on the rim it's been through before with no interest.
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Post by studio-pots Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:02 pm

A couple of the "Ian Godfrey" items (City and Bridge) look more like Bryan Newman's to me. They both appear unmarked so difficult to be certain. However, I have sold similar pieces by Bryan in the past like that, with marks and bought directly from Bryan, but have never seen anything by Ian Godfrey done in that manner.

It does amuse me that every pottery sales seems to contain a number of recent pieces by Akiko Hirai. I wonder if it is because people buy her stuff to turn a fast buck or because they buy it; get it home and quickly decide that it's crap?

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Post by NaomiM Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:38 pm

studio-pots wrote:A couple of the "Ian Godfrey" items (City and Bridge) look more like Bryan Newman's to me. They both appear unmarked so difficult to be certain. However, I have sold similar pieces by Bryan in the past like that, with marks and bought directly from Bryan, but have never seen anything by Ian Godfrey done in that manner.


They do look very like Newman's work

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Post by croker Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:38 pm

Hi, studio , Good to see they have amended them after your contact.
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Post by studio-pots Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 pm

I didn't contact them - it could be that they are avid readers of the Forum at Mallams.

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Post by philpot Fri May 19, 2023 9:15 am

https://www.mallams.co.uk/auction/details/ox-modern-art--design/?au=498&pn=5&g=1
The results of yesterday's auction. Again fairly much of a bread and butter auction. Mostly all sold at between estimate prices. Studio Pottery is still a very affordable area to collect!
The one exceptional price being the Jennifer Lee which Coker mentions above. A stellar £40,000 hammer price for an terrific piece. On t'other hand another one of hers in this sale went for £5000.
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Post by croker Fri May 19, 2023 12:09 pm

I agree studio pottery is still a very affordable area to collect, in this sale most pieces sold for under £1000 and some well under ,this gives great scope for anyone thinking of starting a collection. On the other hand most collectors will have to forget about owning a Jennifer Lee piece, the piece you mention at only £5000 was very small only 4inches, she seems destined to join Rie and Coper at the top of the table. I was surprised that the the very rough Leach pilgrim dish sold for £3000 when a better example in Bonhams couldn't raise a bid ,the John Ward pots were ok but not special,the brown pieces are not his most popular and the green pot was damaged but still fetched over £3000,the Akiko pots were well below what they have been making.
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Post by philpot Fri May 19, 2023 5:42 pm

There were 2 Jennifer Lee pots in this sale. No 626 was a beautiful - and enormous for her- 41.5 cms vase. No 627 was the 19 cm bowl which went for just over the top £5000 estimate.
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Post by croker Fri May 19, 2023 5:57 pm

hi philpot ,actually there were three Jennifer lee pots in the sale,lots 627 at£5600,641at £5000 and 626 at £40,000.
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