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Post by dantheman October 4th 2013, 8:01 pm

interesting...I haven't heard about solid waxing before?

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Post by dantheman October 4th 2013, 8:04 pm

I may get out the turtle wax and buff up me biscuit

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Post by dantheman November 14th 2013, 1:19 pm

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I have never really liked the Celtic cats but today that all changed when I saw an early piece made by Bill Fisher.
Although it's still quite a basic moulded shape it has more definition than the later models and being quite a bit smaller (2cm shorter) the greater definition is very noticeable.
A much slimmer neck makes this cat far more pleasing to the eye and the concave eye sockets help to make the nose more pronounced  as does Bill's more detailed brushwork over an unglazed body.
Finally the tail is far superior to those of later pieces having been hand made separately to the moulded body it is far more rounded and tail like!


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Post by 22 Crawford St. November 25th 2013, 11:56 pm

Celtic Fan - my Celtic platter has a brown and sticky bottom!

It's  has puzzled me since I got it. Is this the 'wax' mentioned???. Did they seal the porous bottom? or is this just glue from something stuck on the back. Can't see any remnants of green felt or any fabric. On the platter it's hardened but it could be scraped and you can see scratches on it. It's sticky, or tacky to the touch and looks like it's discoloured. It's definitely deliberate and you can see the extent of it from the detailed photo.


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Post by Celtic_Fan November 26th 2013, 12:48 am

22 Crawford St. wrote:.... has a brown and sticky bottom!
On second thought - best we don't go there Big Laughter 

No your sticky bottom has nothing to do with any original waxing. This was applied to items which never had the shiny glaze applied, which yours clearly did.
I'd say it is glue remnants from something stuck on the bottom at a later stage. Possibly removed to find a makers label prior to selling (probably quite recently as it is still sticky. The brown colour is however original.

What does the front look like? That is an early Newlyn piece, some of which more resemble the Mousehole ones in style.
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Post by 22 Crawford St. November 26th 2013, 1:34 am

Ahhhh I seee. Yes, if you look closely the brown extends further than the stickeyness. They are discreet - one did not cause other. So it was ragged brown, then something was stuck to the bottom, now removed. Did not leave anything except the glue - you would assume it was green felt (with copydex?). Platter in on the website 15 rows up from bottom (see profile for link). It came from Ebay so you've probably seen it before. It was not cheap!

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Post by Celtic_Fan November 26th 2013, 7:07 pm

Ah, that's your website - Very nice.

Yep, I have seen that dish (probably on your site) and not surprised it was expensive. As I suspected, it's one that looks more like a Mousehole one - without the label I'd have thought it was.
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Post by dantheman November 27th 2013, 1:18 pm

did you try turtle wax yet Celtic Fan?

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Post by Celtic_Fan November 27th 2013, 6:50 pm

No, not yet Dan - You?

I'm currently building (adapting) some new display cases, so hopefully when that's done I can do one and see.

I'm also waiting on a nice large Bull dish by Maggi, which I found for sale in New Zealand (the internet is wonderful at times).
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Post by dantheman November 27th 2013, 7:05 pm

not yet, I'll find some unwanted car wax one of these days

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Post by Nik December 18th 2013, 12:30 am

I've not seen any other examples of this this style of mug or design.

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Post by Celtic_Fan December 18th 2013, 12:42 am

Very nice.
I have seen them - about 4 others, same design (and have one), but they are not common. Mousehole production.
Although mine has a flat base, whereas yours looks to have a foot ring?

Is yours a small mug just under 9cm tall?
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Post by Nik December 18th 2013, 1:09 am

Mine does have a foot ring, but it is taller at 13cm.
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Post by dantheman December 18th 2013, 1:11 pm

I especially like the handle

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Post by Celtic_Fan December 30th 2013, 4:32 pm

I now have my 'International Rescue' dish.
I found this for sale in New Zealand and it was purchased and brought over for me by the step-mum of a friend of a friend.

A lovely Mousehole bull dish by Maggi.
15 inches long by 6 inches wide.
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Post by Oldmagpie January 21st 2014, 2:24 pm

Recent purchase with a blue back, the black seems quite matt and slightly metallic so possibly an earlier one  Shrugs 

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Post by dantheman January 21st 2014, 2:49 pm

I have seen a few with that blue base,they were all made at 'The studio Mousehole' and were the work of Maggie Fisher so I'm guessing they were post Bill Fisher and pre Celtic Pottery

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Post by Oldmagpie January 21st 2014, 2:56 pm

thanks Dan, what sort of date would that be?
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Post by dantheman January 21st 2014, 3:02 pm

I'm still trying to work out the time frame but late 60's would be my guess

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Post by Celtic_Fan January 21st 2014, 7:51 pm

Yep, a nice dish.
Like Dan, most of these coloured bases I've seen were Mousehole, but I have now seen at least one with a Newlyn label. Although they do carry both Bill, as well as Maggi's label. But in this case I do suspect this is one of Maggi's.
However, the glaze does (from what I can see) look to be more like a later glaze than the early one (although I may not think so on handling?).
So I suspect this is either late Mousehole or very early Newlyn - which yeh, would put it as late 60's.

It would be interesting to know the significance of the separate labels (Bill / Maggi) rather than what is assumed to be the earlier Fishers label. Hopeful something Maggi is working on now might shed some light on this matter.

We now know they were potting and painting in Mousehole in the late 50's (although Celtic does seem to have appeared around mid - late 60's?). But they were also potting and painting even earlier whilst still in London, before they moved to Mousehole. Sorry I have no other info on this.
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Post by Celtic_Fan March 14th 2014, 11:58 am

Just picked up this interesting vase.
I'm not buying many vases these days, but this had a 'look' about it, which made me think it could be early and interesting. I had no idea what size it was.
I was very happy when it arrived. I'm fairly sure it is Mousehole production, but what I couldn't see before it arrived, is that it is hand thrown  Most Excellent  which is very noticeable on the outside as well as the inside.
Size is 7.5 inches tall x 4.5 inches at the widest mid point, so larger than I had expected.

A great addition to my collection.

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Post by climberg64 April 5th 2014, 5:44 pm

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I don't usually collect Celtic but this was cheap and available (like some of my old girlfriends!) so I bought it. What do the serious Celtic collectors think?
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an unusual dragon LION design, made at Mousehole after Bill moved on


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Post by Potty May 1st 2014, 3:01 pm

Looks like a Lion to me  Cheeky 

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Post by dantheman May 1st 2014, 4:19 pm

yes I did wonder if it might be a lion but to be honest it doesn't look like any lion I have seen and I'm yet to come across a dragon.
I have compared the actual pot with several others in my collection and I'm confident that it was made by Margaret Fisher

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