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Post by Celtic_Fan on July 18th 2013, 6:22 pm

dantheman wrote:I love the detail in this early Bill Fisher horse, better than his later work in my opinion
Dan - I think that detail is probably just down to the size of this horse. It's obviously easier to put detail into a large figure, than it is with a small one.
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Post by dantheman on July 18th 2013, 6:38 pm

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this one looks Oriental?

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Post by l33ham180 on July 20th 2013, 8:02 pm

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here are a couple of pieces i picked up a short time ago

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Post by dantheman on July 20th 2013, 8:06 pm

may we see the backs please Lee?

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Post by l33ham180 on July 20th 2013, 8:25 pm

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here is the smaller bowl

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and here is the reverse of the fish dish
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Post by dantheman on August 21st 2013, 3:47 pm

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14 inch Newlyn platter

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Post by dantheman on August 24th 2013, 10:16 am

I love the techniques employed here, the sgraffito is flowing and the design quite impessionistic but the clear, high gloss glaze gives it a very polished look.




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Post by Celtic_Fan on September 26th 2013, 6:51 pm

You don't see many tiles, so I'm rather pleased to finally have one. Although I'd much rather it had a folk design image - but better than nothing.
I assume they bought in the tiles to decorate.
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Post by Celtic_Fan on October 4th 2013, 6:54 pm

I'm sure we've all noticed a difference between the pottery produced at Mousehole, from the later work from Newlyn. But not entirely known exactly what that difference was.

Well now I know and will let you know.

At Mousehole the pottery was double fired. The pottery was first biscuit fired then decorated and dip in a clear glaze, before being fired again. But when Eve came along he introduced spray glazing and a single firing. This allowed the pottery to double production and increase profits.
Maggi has said that with the original production methods, the 'black' oxidised and took on a more metallic look. The later method gave a cleaner image. Although, interestingly, Maggi prefers the original look, but customers didn't seem to notice or mind the change.

I've also discovered the origin of these biscuit fired pieces. They were originally sold waxed! I haven't noticed any wax on mine, so it may have just worn (washed) off over the years. I'm gonna have a very close look at mine to see if I can find any remains.
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Post by dantheman on October 4th 2013, 7:01 pm

interesting...I haven't heard about solid waxing before?

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Post by dantheman on October 4th 2013, 7:04 pm

I may get out the turtle wax and buff up me biscuit

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Post by dantheman on November 14th 2013, 12:19 pm

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I have never really liked the Celtic cats but today that all changed when I saw an early piece made by Bill Fisher.
Although it's still quite a basic moulded shape it has more definition than the later models and being quite a bit smaller (2cm shorter) the greater definition is very noticeable.
A much slimmer neck makes this cat far more pleasing to the eye and the concave eye sockets help to make the nose more pronounced  as does Bill's more detailed brushwork over an unglazed body.
Finally the tail is far superior to those of later pieces having been hand made separately to the moulded body it is far more rounded and tail like!


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Post by 22 Crawford St. on November 25th 2013, 10:56 pm

Celtic Fan - my Celtic platter has a brown and sticky bottom!

It's  has puzzled me since I got it. Is this the 'wax' mentioned???. Did they seal the porous bottom? or is this just glue from something stuck on the back. Can't see any remnants of green felt or any fabric. On the platter it's hardened but it could be scraped and you can see scratches on it. It's sticky, or tacky to the touch and looks like it's discoloured. It's definitely deliberate and you can see the extent of it from the detailed photo.


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Post by Celtic_Fan on November 25th 2013, 11:48 pm

22 Crawford St. wrote:.... has a brown and sticky bottom!
On second thought - best we don't go there Big Laughter 

No your sticky bottom has nothing to do with any original waxing. This was applied to items which never had the shiny glaze applied, which yours clearly did.
I'd say it is glue remnants from something stuck on the bottom at a later stage. Possibly removed to find a makers label prior to selling (probably quite recently as it is still sticky. The brown colour is however original.

What does the front look like? That is an early Newlyn piece, some of which more resemble the Mousehole ones in style.
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Post by 22 Crawford St. on November 26th 2013, 12:34 am

Ahhhh I seee. Yes, if you look closely the brown extends further than the stickeyness. They are discreet - one did not cause other. So it was ragged brown, then something was stuck to the bottom, now removed. Did not leave anything except the glue - you would assume it was green felt (with copydex?). Platter in on the website 15 rows up from bottom (see profile for link). It came from Ebay so you've probably seen it before. It was not cheap!

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Post by Celtic_Fan on November 26th 2013, 6:07 pm

Ah, that's your website - Very nice.

Yep, I have seen that dish (probably on your site) and not surprised it was expensive. As I suspected, it's one that looks more like a Mousehole one - without the label I'd have thought it was.
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Post by dantheman on November 27th 2013, 12:18 pm

did you try turtle wax yet Celtic Fan?

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Post by Celtic_Fan on November 27th 2013, 5:50 pm

No, not yet Dan - You?

I'm currently building (adapting) some new display cases, so hopefully when that's done I can do one and see.

I'm also waiting on a nice large Bull dish by Maggi, which I found for sale in New Zealand (the internet is wonderful at times).
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Post by dantheman on November 27th 2013, 6:05 pm

not yet, I'll find some unwanted car wax one of these days

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Post by Nik on December 17th 2013, 11:30 pm

I've not seen any other examples of this this style of mug or design.

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Post by Celtic_Fan on December 17th 2013, 11:42 pm

Very nice.
I have seen them - about 4 others, same design (and have one), but they are not common. Mousehole production.
Although mine has a flat base, whereas yours looks to have a foot ring?

Is yours a small mug just under 9cm tall?
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Post by Nik on December 18th 2013, 12:09 am

Mine does have a foot ring, but it is taller at 13cm.
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Post by dantheman on December 18th 2013, 12:11 pm

I especially like the handle

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Post by Celtic_Fan on December 30th 2013, 3:32 pm

I now have my 'International Rescue' dish.
I found this for sale in New Zealand and it was purchased and brought over for me by the step-mum of a friend of a friend.

A lovely Mousehole bull dish by Maggi.
15 inches long by 6 inches wide.
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Post by Oldmagpie on January 21st 2014, 1:24 pm

Recent purchase with a blue back, the black seems quite matt and slightly metallic so possibly an earlier one  Shrugs 

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