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Post by crokkie February 10th 2021, 3:23 pm

Asking on behalf of a friend who volunteers at a hospice charity. They've had this donated and are wondering if it's just cheap junk or something they can charge more for. It stands about 10 inches tall. I've looked on-line for anything similar but not really found anything. It's stamped 622 - presumably a shape number. Any help appreciated.Charity Request, green chalice or pedestal bowl number 622 Pot210
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Post by studio-pots February 10th 2021, 5:17 pm

It's cheap junk.

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Post by NaomiM February 10th 2021, 5:20 pm

Not a style I recognise but I'm not an expert in production pottery. If it's not IDed relatively quickly I think the chances are it's probably not worth very much, but someone will probably buy it for a couple of pounds.

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Post by Frescobaldi February 10th 2021, 5:36 pm

Art deco green and curves?
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Post by NaomiM February 10th 2021, 6:11 pm

Could be 1930s-50s.

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Post by studio-pots February 10th 2021, 8:22 pm

My thoughts are that it is one of a set of six goblets that were fashionable in the 1970s. Some things from the period are of interest these days but the colours just kill it from my point of view.

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Post by Grumpy Grandad February 10th 2021, 11:37 pm

Didn't Fosters / Kernewek do a very similar glaze to that (as well as the standard brown honeycomb)?
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Post by philpot February 11th 2021, 8:56 am

That square looking base. That's a mass production thing. In a goblet it is aesthetically and practically a rubbish idea. Nearly all mass production pottery is worthless. Purely because its mass production.
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Post by NaomiM February 11th 2021, 11:45 am

10” seems a bit tall for a goblet

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Post by Frescobaldi February 11th 2021, 12:03 pm

I often wonder about what UK potters and potteries did 1939-45. They could get clay, but perhaps had to repurpose older moulds and use existing glazes that they had in stock (this idea has come from seeing 1940s clothes that relied on earlier trimmings for decoration). I rather take the view that if a style is puzzling it usually belongs to the 1920s, which is often a transition between older decorated styles and forward-facing art deco ideas, though I am not certain enough about pottery to know whether this is true for that. I know there was a big craft revival in the 1920s and this was expressed in pottery that celebrated hand-made qualities. This piece does not fit into that. It has that typical jade green and hardly a straight line on it (apart from the sides of the base) of the 1930s, but no quadrant circles. So: not 1920s, not high 1930s, not 1950s because of the Victorianish appearance of the stem moulding. My guess would be a 1940s hybrid combined from earlier moulds and glazes, but - this is where I came in - I do not know what happened to pottery in the 1940s. I also don't know whether people were able to obtain decorative objects at that time. But I could see this standing on a 1940s mantlepiece... which does not give it value, of course. What about those numbers on the bottom -very plain - utility style?
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Post by studio-pots February 11th 2021, 12:48 pm

The numbers are most likely a shape number.

From 1939 until 1953 most of industrially produced pottery was undecorated white wares. By law, decorated/glazes ware could only be made for export. Some did enter the British market, if it was leftover from an export contract.

So I would count it out from being the period you suggest.

The look of the exposed clay on the foot appears to be the inexpensive type used in the 1970s to me that, together with the colour palette, was why I came to he conclusion that I did.

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Post by NaomiM February 11th 2021, 1:22 pm

Some British pottery companies set up in the colonies, like Australia, and could them import decorative wares to get round Government restrictions. Sometimes you even see French and Czech pots with British stamps.
There was little innovation during the late 30s-50s, and the same moulds were reused making dating difficult.


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Post by denbydump February 11th 2021, 1:23 pm

The rather classical design round the base, and the "majolica" green glaze, would
suggest pre-war continental, maybe French/German.
The height and shape would suggest a celery vase.
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Post by NaomiM February 11th 2021, 1:25 pm

In the glass world, vases were renamed "celery vases", etc, to get around the Government's restrictions.

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Post by Frescobaldi February 11th 2021, 1:31 pm

Thank you experts. Bang goes another good idea, but now I know more.
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Post by denbydump February 11th 2021, 1:32 pm

NaomiM wrote:In the glass world, vases were renamed "celery vases", etc, to get around the Government's restrictions.

Yes, some had the word "celery" etched on.
Pottery also, had the same thing, utilitarian wares had less, or no, purchase tax, compared to decorative wares.
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Post by NaomiM February 11th 2021, 1:40 pm

Ah, that was it. Read a book about the tariff wars between Europe and the US from the late 19thC into the Depression, and companies developed ways of getting round the decorative tax, from renaming forms, to producing importing pots from the colonies and stamping England on them.

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Post by studio-pots February 12th 2021, 1:00 pm

denbydump wrote:
The height and shape would suggest a celery vase.

I see what you mean...... the stem is hollow and you have one stick of celery in there. Cheeky Laughter Cheeky

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Post by studio-pots February 12th 2021, 1:03 pm

Although the pot is of no interest, I think the actual discussion has brought up some interesting points and personally I was delighted to be able to write "cheap junk" without causing offence. Innocent

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Post by dantheman February 12th 2021, 1:21 pm

a spade is a spade no matter what new pc rules are en vogue

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Post by NaomiM February 12th 2021, 1:28 pm

One man's junk is another man's treasure. Just because it's not the sort of thing we would buy it doesn't make it junk (although I would say differently if it was one of the student pots I see in some of our local charity shops).

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