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Post by denbydump Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:20 pm

A pretty set of 8 (1 damaged) tiny bowls, 1 7/8 dia  x 1 in high.
All have different hand painted figures, polychrome enamelling and gilding.
Surely too small for tea, so I'm gussing Sake cups, and probably missing a decanter?
I can make out one of the Kutani symbols, but can't figure out the rest.

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Post by denbydump Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:21 pm

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Post by studio-pots Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:46 pm

I imagine they weren't made to be sold together but they would/could have been sold without a sake bottle (tokkuri).

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Post by NaomiM Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:12 pm

I don’t think they are kutani. The motifs are closer to Chinese Canton export porcelain, especially the cabbage leafs the immortals are sitting on

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Post by denbydump Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:41 pm

I searched endlessly on the marks sites trying to nail down any symbol
I could find, but all I could see was the one (half) of the usual kutani mark.
It's in there, maybe clearer on other cups. I'll do some more pics sonetime.
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Post by NaomiM Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:04 pm

I’m not finding anything that resembles this set - the mark or the decoration - on the Kutani pages.
It’s a partial ink stamp.

http://modernjapanesepotterymarks.blogspot.com/2011/05/kutani.html?m=1

I’m sure it’s Canton ware. I watched a video recently explaining the differences between four main forms of famille rose Canton wares. The fruit and flower border on yours is found on medallion etc wares

https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t20415-chinese-ceramic-bowl-chinese-famille-rose-canton-medallion-ware

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Post by denbydump Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:58 pm

Some more base pics. The foot is barely 1/2 in dia, so the marks are very small.

I have highlighted what I imagined is a kutani character.
Maybe coincidental of spurious.

I have had problems before trying to find ANY of the chatacters on Chinese items.

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Post by NaomiM Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:13 pm

I’ve split it off from the Kutani thread because I’m pretty sure it’s Rose Medallion ware from Hong Kong

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Post by aiko Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:41 am

the red circle around foot rim is odd and the glass is too pristine and shiny. Not onder than second half of 20th century or maybe 21st. and from China, imo
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Post by janetpjohn Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:13 pm

The character you circled does mean "nine" in Japanese, as in "nine valleys=kutani", but it means something else in Chinese.
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Post by denbydump Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:10 am

A Ha! I thought I wasn't imagining it, but of course it sent me down the wrong path.
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