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Post by Lawrie0 Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:50 am

Can anyone id this mark, the Teapot & milk jug, the Teapot approx 8 inches high.
there appears 2 different marks by the same designer.

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thanks Lawrie
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Post by philpot Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:13 am

Geoffrey Whiting. The A with the dot is Avoncroft pottery which he used from 1955. The Cross is St Augustine's which he used from 1972-88. He sometimes used both together. He is quite a widely regarded potter, and has his collector's. Amongst others Edmond De Waal was an apprentice with him.
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Post by NaomiM Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:13 am

Wonderful to see the St Augustine mark at last. Most Excellent Usually it’s the Avoncroft Pottery mark or the Avoncroft mark and Whiting’s monogram mark, but the St Augustine mark is very rare. Whiting seems to have modified the A. Avoncroft mark to an As mark for St Augustine


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Post by Lawrie0 Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:13 pm

many thanks
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Post by Davee Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:42 pm

Avoncroft small bowl with nicely painted decoration.

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Post by philpot Thu May 20, 2021 3:40 pm

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This a photo of Geoffrey Whiting in 1966. He was about 47 then.This photo as the photo in an invitation to views the Major Touring exhibition organised by Aberyswyth Arts Centre 1989/90.
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Post by philpot Thu May 20, 2021 3:42 pm

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The marks used by Geoffrey Whiting.
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Post by philpot Thu May 20, 2021 3:49 pm

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A rare  Avoncroft Price list/catalogue from his years at Droitwich, 1955-72. Very much a working pottery.
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Post by NaomiM Thu May 20, 2021 3:50 pm

An example of his AP stamp

https://pin.it/Aa1JnH7

I haven't come across any verified examples of his cross mark, which he supposedly used while at St Augustine's Pottery, Canterbury in Kent, 1972-88 (although I do have a few unverified examples via ebay).  
Nor have I seen the HS mark which he used 1950-52 while teaching at Stoke House in Bucks.

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Post by philpot Thu May 20, 2021 4:37 pm

The photo of the marks comes from the catalogue of the Aberystwyth Arts Centre exhibition catalogue in 1990 Naomi. The family has a large input into the exhibition, so these must be the definitive marks. Given that a lot of his output using those marks was probably ordinary domestic ware in everyday use, probably few of those items have survived.
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Post by NaomiM Thu May 20, 2021 6:07 pm

To be fair, it's a pottery's ordinary domestic ware that we see a lot of. Maybe it was only on pottery made for Kings School in the remains of the Abbey, or for Church use?

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Post by minarima Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:24 pm

Hi all, am I correct in thinking that this large bowl I have is a piece by Geoffrey Whiting during his St Augustine period in Canterbury?

It has a single mark that I believe is an Avoncroft 'A' with a St Augustine 's' below it where the dot is usually found.

I'd like to be sure what I have so that I don't misrepresent it.

It measures 10.8 inches in width and 5.3 inches in height.

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Post by minarima Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:50 pm

More photos of the bowl...

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Post by philpot Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:31 pm

What you have is a bowl with the Avoncroft pottery mark alone. This was a mark that Geoffrey Whiting used for over 25 years in his pottery in Worcestershire. The St Augustine's Kent pottery mark was generally a Cross. Occasionally the St Augustine's mark was also used with the Avoncroft one.
But it is a pottery mark. Geoffrey Whiting had apprentices and pupils at Avoncroft pottery, and generally this was the mark used by them. You can only be definite that it is by Geoffrey Whiting if he also used his personal mark.
David Leach would use an L+ mark for the items that were made by apprentices at Lowerdown Pottery. His own work always had his personal mark.
Collectors prefer work with the personal mark. Items with the Pottery mark alone are less desirable, which is reflected in the demand for them.
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Post by NaomiM Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:59 pm

The usual Avoncroft Pottery mark is an A with a dot. I wonder if he’s adapted the mark by adding an S in place of a dot for St Augustine. I dont know why he would have used As for Avoncroft

Looking through the thread, there is this coffee set where the coffee pot has the As stamp while the sugar bowl has the St Augustine Pottery cross mark

https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t26711-geoffrey-whiting-avoncroft-st-augustine#190050

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Post by minarima Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:20 pm

NaomiM wrote:The usual Avoncroft Pottery mark is an A with a dot. I wonder if he’s adapted the mark by adding an S in place of a dot for St Augustine. I dont know why he would have used As for Avoncroft

Thanks NaomiM, I agree this is very likely a piece by Whiting when he was working at his St Augustine studio in Canterbury, and I don't believe it was intended to identify it as an apprentice piece as philpot suggests. The reason I think this is because I've yet to find a St Augustine cross stamp, or an 'A + s' stamp used alongside his GW seal, so it appears he no longer used this GW personal seal mark on St Augustine period pieces.

The fact that I purchased this bowl in person from a seller in Canterbury adds credence to this being his Geoffrey Whiting St Augustine pottery stamp.

I wonder why this 'A + s' stamp isn't included in his official list of documented marks?
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Post by NaomiM Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:39 pm

No lists are complete, and sometimes the Marks are drawn wrongly

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