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Post by wyvern on June 3rd 2008, 3:46 am

Hi there

I've just joined your forum. There's so much great information here!

I wondered if anyone could ID this pottery vase. It stands 14.5 cm tall, and has an old label underneath that reads "230/5 Made in Italy"

Thanks :)
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Post by Pip on June 3rd 2008, 8:53 am

Hi Wyvern - welcome to the forum. Your vase is brilliant - I love it - it's reminding me of some Raymor/Rosenthal Netter pieces I've seen somewhere. I'll see if I can find anything in any of my books or online resources to compare and get back.


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Post by big ed on June 3rd 2008, 9:18 am

I think your right pip , it looks very like rosenthal netter with onion shaped pattern Ed
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Post by Pip on June 3rd 2008, 10:03 am

Ok now there's a bit of a grey area here regarding Raymor and Rosenthal Netter so perhaps I should clarify - and maybe Ed might want to add any info he knows to this as well.

As I understand it Raymor and Rosenthal Netter were both importers to the USA of Italian ceramics from companies such as Bitossi and others. However, Rosenthal Netter also commissioned pieces especially - so I'd say looking at your vase, taking into consideration the style and colours used, it's most likely a Rosenthal Netter piece - either bought by them and imported into the USA or commissioned especially and then imported. It's extremely difficult (apart from Bitossi pieces which are so distinctive) to be able to pin these down to an actual factory. Hope that helps.


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Post by big ed on June 3rd 2008, 11:04 am

No pip I agree with what you say, except should it not be exported to not imported to Ed
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Post by Pip on June 3rd 2008, 11:07 am

aha - I said 'imported into' Cheeky

Thanks for the confirmation though Ed - there's quite a bit of confusion out there generally about the various companies making and dealing in Italian pottery.

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Post by big ed on June 3rd 2008, 12:10 pm

importers to the USA , Cheeky Ed
Seriously though you are both right, it is very confusing tracking the ltaian stuff ,I have tried with not much success to get more info on bertoncello as well
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Post by pierce on June 4th 2008, 7:29 pm

italian and with a label under base which says...
created in italy for rosenthal netter inc no 237/2Rosenthal Netter (Italy) Lava_312
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Post by wyvern on January 8th 2009, 12:33 pm

Thank you for your comments everyone, and to Pip for fixing the photos in this thread.

Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the signed Raymor pieces, such as http://cgi.ebay.com/Raymor-Italian-Art-Pottery-Tray-Mid-Century-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ290287829227QQcmdZViewItemQQssPageNameZRSS:B:SRCH:US:101.

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Post by Pip on January 8th 2009, 2:45 pm

Never seen anything like that before... I wonder what the grooves on the sides are for? Is it an ashtray?

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Post by big ed on January 8th 2009, 7:39 pm

I think raymor and rosenthal netter bidded against each other for Italian pieces and a piece is just as likely to have a R/Netter label as Raymor one , I don't why this one is signed raymor , maybe they did that as well as labels , ED
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Post by wyvern on January 9th 2009, 12:42 am

Yes, it's an ashtray. I wondered if it was contemporary, although the listing states 80's. I've seen a couple of other similarly signed pieces for sale.

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Post by Pip on January 9th 2009, 8:35 am

The seller says he picked it up in the 80s - not that he thinks it's from that era. I don't think it's contemporary at all - it looks very late 50s/early 60s to me going by the shape and the design.

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Post by wyvern on January 9th 2009, 9:03 am

Yes, I love the design, and the colours are great. I'm glad to hear it's genuine.

If I lived their I'd be sure to bid on it :)

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Post by Pip on January 9th 2009, 12:30 pm

We get a lot of Italian pottery here and I'm particularly keen on these sorts of 50s 60s styles. We don't tend to find Raymor as such, because as you know Raymor commissioned pieces purely for the American market but the Italian pottery from that era that we get here is obviously from the same sources - more usually just handsigned 'Italy' and sometimes with a number.

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