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Post by Mr Grinch on December 8th 2017, 10:52 am

H all,

I was looking for some blue pottery to compliment my new kitchen and sideboard.

The search took me to Jasperware and ive been hooked every since.

I bought a pair of posy vases but was stuck on the age of them. They look modern as after studying date stamps online, it doesnt match anything pre 1980.  Any pointers will be gratefully received.






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Post by Mr Grinch on December 18th 2017, 7:06 pm

No replies which is a disappointing. I take it these are probably very modern around the 90's or 21st century.


I picked up a couple more small vases the other day.This time Cobalt Blue Jasperware. Everything checks out but stuck on the dating.

Both have the usual Wedgwood motif with Made in England.

One has the letter "U" than and what looks like a little speech mark. The other has no letters that i can see and no numbers. Still has speech mark though and what looks like a smile shape but nothing else. Both are the same design although the one that is not marked feels slightly lighter and the rim to the vase slightly thinner.

I was hoping my dating of 1928 for the first vase is right but stuck on the other. Is it normal to have no marks at all ?
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Post by Essenjay on December 18th 2017, 8:07 pm

Wedgwood, in my experience, is pretty difficult to date with absolute accuracy. Your two vases look pretty modern IMO. A lot of Wedgwood post-war Jasperware seems to have an impressed two digit number on the underside which seems to refer to the last two numbers of the year - 65 for 1965, for example - but I'm not sure that they were consistently applied to all pieces. Googling 'Wedgwood date marks', or something similar, will provide a number of websites that may assist with identification.
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Post by Mr Grinch on December 18th 2017, 8:45 pm

I appreciate your reply.

Marks for the year ie 63 for 1963 was mostly started after 1960. I have seen a few 50,s but not often. I know I’m new to it all but I’ve been reading a lot over past 6 months and I find it fascinating.
These defo look older. The stamps are not the sans sarif marks that started after 1930 ish. They are the old style.

The usual letter for month, porters mark then year mark are not present in one but a U and T are on the other. Both would indicate manufacturing after 1908.
I thought the differences between each piece would irritate me but I’m lonving the fact that each piece is slightly different. Even modern items. I have two vases made in 1973 but with different makers marks and both are just that slightly different.
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Post by user9318 on December 19th 2017, 8:34 am

They are certainly not from the 1930's Wedgwood jasperware, if that early, the marks would have been separated, i.e. 'Wedgwood' and 'Made in England' would not have been clumped together, as yours are.

When they are all in one like that, they are post 1970, yours are more likely to be from the 1980's
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Post by Mr Grinch on December 19th 2017, 9:20 am

Hi,
No they are not clumped together at all.

“Wedgwood” is at one side and “Made in England” the other. I’m not talking about he ones in the picture as I think that these are most definatly around the 80,s. On the cobalt blue vases there is also no (r) mark for the treademark which came in Mid 70’s.
The only other mark on one is V and a smaller T and a ‘, type mark. On the other no letters I can see apart from the ‘, thing and another that I can’t make out. No numbers though on either.

I’ve seen a lot of the post 60’s jasperware stuff and these do not look like them.
The new script for the Wedgwood mark came in around 1930, the vase with the letters has the old script whilst the other with no letters has the new but both should have numbers on them but they don’t.

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Post by denbydump on December 19th 2017, 12:53 pm

Are we talking about compltely different vases to the ones shown then?
We will need pix for further discussion.
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Post by Mr Grinch on December 19th 2017, 1:08 pm

Yes we are. On the second post it says that.
It’s not easy to post photos on this site but will have a go.
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Post by Mr Grinch on December 19th 2017, 1:25 pm

Right here are the two vases







First one. No letters or numbers. Just a speech mark type thing and smily type of mouth thing. Second one, speech mark type thing and a U letter. No numbers.

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Post by Mr Grinch on December 19th 2017, 1:29 pm

The pair above follows on from this one i bought a few weeks ago. They look similer colour and texture. This has Wedgwood and England on the base with a large A and a smaller T. Im hoping this will be a 1898 or 1891 date.



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Post by Mr Grinch on December 19th 2017, 1:30 pm

Just quickly looking on the photo of the first vase of the pair, that could be a G  at the top? So 1930 and other 1918 ?
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Post by denbydump on December 19th 2017, 3:49 pm

These are "Blue-Dip", not the same as jasper ware, usually pre-war.
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Post by Mr Grinch on December 19th 2017, 3:53 pm

Hi yes I knew they were dipped but they seem to be called jasperware on nearly everything although I appreciate the real jasper is not dipped at all. These don’t feel as “rough” either. Amazing details on the classical figures.

Should all of these be marked with a date stamp or is it very much hit and miss ?
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Post by denbydump on December 19th 2017, 11:20 pm

Blue dip I have had usually has 2 numbers, small and often hard to see,
eg 25, for 1925.
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Post by Mr Grinch on December 19th 2017, 11:33 pm

I think year numbers started post 1930.
These have none only the letters.
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Post by user9318 on December 20th 2017, 7:12 am

Mr Grinch wrote:Yes we are. On the second post it says that.
It’s not easy to post photos on this site but will have a go.

My comments were for the items pictured, without photos of the marks, I would not like to hazard a guess at dating them.
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Post by Mr Grinch on December 20th 2017, 9:35 am

Hi there are photos on now 👍🏻
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Post by Essenjay on December 20th 2017, 12:36 pm

According to Steve Birks at http://www.thepotteries.org/types/jasper.htm Jasper Ware is still Jasper whether solid or dipped! I never knew that...
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