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Post by sartref on December 13th 2016, 10:53 pm

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This ceramic vase had been living life as a table lamp since the 1950s-ish.  Doubt that it was purpose built for lamp base but might be wrong. ... Interesting glaze: mottled matte brown metallic. Some writing on base: possibly says "mauve" but hard to tell, obscured by hole made for lamp wires.  Also on base, the numbers "321" or letters "ize" if that is upside down (could it be "Mize"?). ... I am total novice but wonder if shape and glaze aren't suggesting Dutch or German mid-century.  Any help much appreciated!!  Thank you.
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Post by tenpot on December 14th 2016, 9:46 am

could this be a Massier?
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Post by Mordeep on December 14th 2016, 5:23 pm

tenpot wrote:could this be a Massier?

Give that man a star!

It's a Clement Massier probably made at Golf Jaun France. The glaze is unmistakable and the colours it shows when under light probably explains why someone in a moment of madness drilled a hole to make it a lamp. The painted lustre signature is typical for the items he produced right at the start of the 20th century (1900-1910 area). Even with the hole it is a great item. I suggest giving it a really good clean with some washing up liquid. These things pick up dirt and tobacco from peoples homes and it makes them dull when they should shine (think yours could be like that). If you want to find out more Google will show you all you could ever want to know and give you similar examples to compare. Just don't be scared by value, these things are rightly highly desirable. Makes me regret selling the one I had Wah
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Post by NaomiM on December 15th 2016, 8:49 pm

...these things are rightly highly desirable...

Unless they've got a ****** great big hole in the base, at which point their value is as a reference piece only. Doh!

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Post by dantheman on December 15th 2016, 9:24 pm

that's why it's kept upside down with a big rock on top

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Post by Mordeep on December 15th 2016, 9:52 pm

NaomiM wrote:
...these things are rightly highly desirable...

Unless they've got a ****** great big hole in the base, at which point their value is as a reference piece only. Doh!

A great big f*****g hole in anything destroys the value and in 99% of things make it worthless. But for the 1% the rarity, age and demand it only wipes out 80% of the value from it. A classic bit of art nouveau French art pottery should fall into that 1%. It's only us pottery snobs that turn our nose up against damage on items. Most collectors when faced with owning nothing or a damaged vase at $100 would opt to have something, opt to buy that vase.

Of course ages plays its part and 99.999999% of damaged ceramic items made in the last 80 years have no value and no demand but this is older, better and a dammed sight classier that that Most Excellent
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Post by tenpot on December 16th 2016, 10:10 am

it all depends on the quality of that lustre glaze hard to see in the photo
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Post by sartref on December 26th 2016, 5:15 am

Thanks everyone for sharing your knowledge.  It's very interesting to learn about this. ... I did a VERY gentle wash with mild dishwashing liquid. The cleaning brought out a bit more luster but I would still describe it as a matte satin finish.  Perhaps it needs more attention to bring out the glow.  I'll have to do more research but thank you again for being so generous with your expertise.  ... Best wishes, SE
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