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Post by Guest on January 20th 2015, 2:45 pm

Probably hobby painter but can anyone read the signature please, (rescued from a puddle of water on a windowsill today).

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Post by studio-pots on January 20th 2015, 5:15 pm

The background to the images of your French bowl intrigued me and now I know what it was. Can you make a guess at any of the letters of the signature?

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Post by Guest on January 20th 2015, 5:22 pm

Eess 44, sorry SP it's not very clear. No clearer on the real thing : (
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Post by studio-pots on January 20th 2015, 5:48 pm

The only painters that "look up" for the date with a surname ending in ess are Florence Hess and Ann Ness but....

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Post by Guest on January 20th 2015, 7:10 pm

Thanks SP for your help : )
I will get it framed as I like the colours.
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Post by studio-pots on January 20th 2015, 10:12 pm

An odd thing is that the framer's label appears to be earlier than 1944 but the dog watercolour might have just been put in an earlier frame.

See Power near the bottom of the page in this link -

http://www.npg.org.uk/research/conservation/directory-of-british-framemakers/p.php

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Post by NaomiM on January 20th 2015, 10:22 pm

Looks like GESS 44 to me.

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Post by Guest on January 20th 2015, 10:52 pm

NaomiM wrote:Looks like GESS 44 to me.

Thanks Naomi it does look more like GESS : )
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Post by Guest on January 20th 2015, 11:03 pm

studio-pots wrote:An odd thing is that the framer's label appears to be earlier than 1944 but the dog watercolour might have just been put in an earlier frame.

See Power near the bottom of the page in this link -

http://www.npg.org.uk/research/conservation/directory-of-british-framemakers/p.php

Thanks SP I'm amazed you found that info, cheers its a great link.

I should have said it was already open at the back with just little rusty nails holding the pic and glass and frame together.

So as you say the pic was probably added later/ been a recycled frame.

Although I like the pic that little dog has massive paws.

I think its very likely someone just drew their own dog.

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Post by denbydump on January 21st 2015, 12:13 am

Could it be 1844, and/or could the dog's name be Gess?
Just throwing ideas around!
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Post by antiquerose123 on January 21st 2015, 2:35 pm

Nic pic...

I too thought it looked like GESS 44 ....

....But thinking Outside the Box....could there be a letter *T* at the start?  You will notice that there is a line down at at the very beginning, then with a strike above it right at the very start.  Why make a strike line on top of the other letters?  Usually if a person makes a Strike line -- it is Underneath the letters.

So just throwing this out there ???? Is that the letter *T*

~ T. GESS

....or could there be more letters at the beginning such as; (??)

~ TAGESS ??
~ TEGESS??
~ THAGESS??
~ LAGESS
~ T.LAGESS


I do not know at all.....if just seems like there is that strike on top of the letters at the beginning that could be a T....

Maybe I am seeing more...but just throwing *that thought* out there about the strike at the start, above all the letters at the start...

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Post by Guest on January 21st 2015, 7:18 pm

Thanks Antiquerose : ), what you suggest makes perfect sense.. It could well be a T, as you say why have a line above?

Only problem I cant find an artist listed gess.

I'll check out your suggestions though..

It may be as DD suggest, being the little mutts name.

I now think it must be a hobby painter.
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Post by climberg64 on January 21st 2015, 9:01 pm

denbydump wrote:Could it be 1844, and/or could the dog's name be Gess?
Just throwing ideas around!

Big Laughter Do I detect some light-hearted japing DD?

Maybe a 44 yr old dog called Bess.

I must say I think people are being too kind, Zippy. You are lovely but this must be one of the worst dog paintings ever.
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Post by Guest on January 21st 2015, 9:28 pm

Climber I'm mortified Shock  I think it's a lovely picture : )

Much better than I could do.

DD that went over my head, stop being bad : )
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Post by denbydump on January 22nd 2015, 1:36 am

No really Zip I was being serious, why not 1844? If you have already established the
framing materials are earlier than 1944.
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Post by studio-pots on January 22nd 2015, 8:48 am

1844 would have been too early for the framers, who in various guises were in business from 1885 until 1927. The address on the label dates to 1903 -08.

So we know that the frame is 20th century and made in Victoria Street, Westminster between 1903 and 1908 so............. let's forget about the dog! Cheeky

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Post by denbydump on January 22nd 2015, 9:28 am

Hmmm, so it could have been re-framed between 1903-8?
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Post by studio-pots on January 22nd 2015, 10:19 am

I said forget about the dog. Jack Russell 648347

The paper the dog is painted on doesn't look 19th century to me.

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