Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Page 2 of 2 Previous  1, 2

Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by Ian1978 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:04 pm

Thanks again for the help. Having looked up Richard Freeman (a new one on me) it's definitely him.
Ian1978
Ian1978

Number of posts : 25
Location : Bath
Registration date : 2018-02-11

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by studio-pots on Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:55 pm

Why? I admit it could be by him but without any mark it is impossible to be certain. That is, unless you contacted him, and he confirms that it is something he made back in the 1950s.

_________________
Now you should know by now that Potty and I need to see your bottom - we're funny that way!
studio-pots
studio-pots
Consultant
Consultant

Male Number of posts : 5615
Location : South East London
Registration date : 2011-02-17

http://www.studio-pots.com

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by Ian1978 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:00 pm

Why is it definitely him? Because I found a smaller version in exactly the same design when doing an image search.
Also, since then, and since my last post, I can just make out RF in the white part of the base.
Ian1978
Ian1978

Number of posts : 25
Location : Bath
Registration date : 2018-02-11

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by NaomiM on Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:34 pm

Just checked google images and I think the one you found was by Vellow Pottery, by Richard Freeman before he sold the pottery to David Winkley

https://pin.it/mp7qnfirf4pq7m

_________________
Just my personal opinion, take it or leave it.
NaomiM
NaomiM
Administrator
Administrator

Female Number of posts : 20175
Location : Hampshire
Registration date : 2012-05-15

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by studio-pots on Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:53 pm

These types of dishes were made by hundreds of potters in the 1950s and with no BATH POTTERY mark, no VELLOW mark and no Richard Freeman personal mark it is not possible to say that it was definitely by him or was made at either of these potteries. It maybe by him but unless he is asked (I know he was still alive a few years ago) then I can't see how anyone can say that it is definitely by him or where it was made.

_________________
Now you should know by now that Potty and I need to see your bottom - we're funny that way!
studio-pots
studio-pots
Consultant
Consultant

Male Number of posts : 5615
Location : South East London
Registration date : 2011-02-17

http://www.studio-pots.com

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by NaomiM on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:10 pm

Ian said he found an RF mark

_________________
Just my personal opinion, take it or leave it.
NaomiM
NaomiM
Administrator
Administrator

Female Number of posts : 20175
Location : Hampshire
Registration date : 2012-05-15

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by Ian1978 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:23 pm

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Image48[
Ian1978
Ian1978

Number of posts : 25
Location : Bath
Registration date : 2018-02-11

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by Ian1978 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:27 pm

I can't get a decent photo but it's definitely RF and the only letter you can make out in the word above Pottery is a B. The word is much shorter than pottery so could be Bath.
Ian1978
Ian1978

Number of posts : 25
Location : Bath
Registration date : 2018-02-11

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by Potty on Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:13 pm

studio-pots wrote:These types of dishes were made by hundreds of potters in the 1950s and with no BATH POTTERY mark, no VELLOW mark and no Richard Freeman personal mark it is not possible to say that it was definitely by him or was made at either of these potteries. It maybe by him but unless he is asked (I know he was still alive a few years ago) then I can't see how anyone can say that it is definitely by him or where it was made.

To be fair SP I think with this particular piece I believe a mark was not needed. The way the slab was cut (with a wire and wire marks left on display), clay, glaze, decoration and form are all a match and I've never seen pots like these that check all those boxes, but I could be wrong.

_________________
lozzy68 wrote:I Had A Feeling It Wasn't A gnome As Studio-Pots Said There Is No Hat On Him
NaomiM wrote:I'm watching other Willies, so maybe I'll get one at some point.
studio-pots wrote:I know my raku Happy
Potty
Potty

Number of posts : 3432
Location : Midlands
Registration date : 2010-09-28

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by NaomiM on Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:34 pm

I’ve edited Ian’s photo and there’s definitely an RF mark and ‘Pottery’. I can see a partial word above with a B so could well be ‘Bath’


Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 2d169f10

_________________
Just my personal opinion, take it or leave it.
NaomiM
NaomiM
Administrator
Administrator

Female Number of posts : 20175
Location : Hampshire
Registration date : 2012-05-15

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by studio-pots on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:21 pm

Without a mark I don't think it is correct to use the word definite unless you have some other actual provenance.

Now that I have seen the image of the mark under the glaze, which hadn't been spotted/mentioned, that is a different matter, as it is the BATH POTTERY impressed mark and the personal mark of Richard Freeman and so the word definite can be used.

Here is it without any glaze.

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 P1000310

_________________
Now you should know by now that Potty and I need to see your bottom - we're funny that way!
studio-pots
studio-pots
Consultant
Consultant

Male Number of posts : 5615
Location : South East London
Registration date : 2011-02-17

http://www.studio-pots.com

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by dantheman on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:32 pm

looks a good match
perhaps you could both measure letter size in the word 'pottery' to see if they're the same

_________________
"Changing your mind when you know what’s happening and you don’t like it. That’s what democracy is all about"
dantheman
dantheman
Consultant
Consultant

Male Number of posts : 14028
Location : Lincolnshire ( the veg patch of England)
Registration date : 2008-02-03

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by Potty on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:44 pm

studio-pots wrote:Without a mark I don't think it is correct to use the word definite unless you have some other actual provenance.

Fair enough point and I would also not "officially" say this was his with without some form of caveat, I.e. "Looks like", but I was 99.9% convinced it was his Big Laughter

If I was selling this I would have no issue saying "Richard Freeman" for the title, but I would mention in the description that it is unmarked (as we thought it was), but that I was almost certain it was his.


_________________
lozzy68 wrote:I Had A Feeling It Wasn't A gnome As Studio-Pots Said There Is No Hat On Him
NaomiM wrote:I'm watching other Willies, so maybe I'll get one at some point.
studio-pots wrote:I know my raku Happy
Potty
Potty

Number of posts : 3432
Location : Midlands
Registration date : 2010-09-28

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by NaomiM on Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:09 pm

Pair of jugs stamped Bath. I believe this is Steve Mills’ mark

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 D7e1c810

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 4942d410 Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 A493a710 Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Fc03c110

_________________
Just my personal opinion, take it or leave it.
NaomiM
NaomiM
Administrator
Administrator

Female Number of posts : 20175
Location : Hampshire
Registration date : 2012-05-15

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by olipayton on Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:48 am

Hi a very nice raw piece from Bath pottery. Its has a very nice feel in the hands - a very nice quality item
Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Sam_7615Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Sam_7616
olipayton
olipayton

Number of posts : 320
Location : wrington
Registration date : 2015-12-08

Back to top Go down

Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly) - Page 2 Empty Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman (and John Shelly)

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 2 of 2 Previous  1, 2

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum