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Post by Ian1978 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:04 pm

Thanks again for the help. Having looked up Richard Freeman (a new one on me) it's definitely him.
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Post by studio-pots on Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:55 pm

Why? I admit it could be by him but without any mark it is impossible to be certain. That is, unless you contacted him, and he confirms that it is something he made back in the 1950s.

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Post by Ian1978 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:00 pm

Why is it definitely him? Because I found a smaller version in exactly the same design when doing an image search.
Also, since then, and since my last post, I can just make out RF in the white part of the base.
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Post by NaomiM on Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:34 pm

Just checked google images and I think the one you found was by Vellow Pottery, by Richard Freeman before he sold the pottery to David Winkley

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Post by studio-pots on Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:53 pm

These types of dishes were made by hundreds of potters in the 1950s and with no BATH POTTERY mark, no VELLOW mark and no Richard Freeman personal mark it is not possible to say that it was definitely by him or was made at either of these potteries. It maybe by him but unless he is asked (I know he was still alive a few years ago) then I can't see how anyone can say that it is definitely by him or where it was made.

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Post by NaomiM on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:10 pm

Ian said he found an RF mark

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Post by Ian1978 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:23 pm

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Post by Ian1978 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:27 pm

I can't get a decent photo but it's definitely RF and the only letter you can make out in the word above Pottery is a B. The word is much shorter than pottery so could be Bath.
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Post by Potty on Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:13 pm

studio-pots wrote:These types of dishes were made by hundreds of potters in the 1950s and with no BATH POTTERY mark, no VELLOW mark and no Richard Freeman personal mark it is not possible to say that it was definitely by him or was made at either of these potteries. It maybe by him but unless he is asked (I know he was still alive a few years ago) then I can't see how anyone can say that it is definitely by him or where it was made.

To be fair SP I think with this particular piece I believe a mark was not needed. The way the slab was cut (with a wire and wire marks left on display), clay, glaze, decoration and form are all a match and I've never seen pots like these that check all those boxes, but I could be wrong.

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Post by NaomiM on Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:34 pm

I’ve edited Ian’s photo and there’s definitely an RF mark and ‘Pottery’. I can see a partial word above with a B so could well be ‘Bath’



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Post by studio-pots on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:21 pm

Without a mark I don't think it is correct to use the word definite unless you have some other actual provenance.

Now that I have seen the image of the mark under the glaze, which hadn't been spotted/mentioned, that is a different matter, as it is the BATH POTTERY impressed mark and the personal mark of Richard Freeman and so the word definite can be used.

Here is it without any glaze.


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Post by dantheman on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:32 pm

looks a good match
perhaps you could both measure letter size in the word 'pottery' to see if they're the same

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Re: Bath Pottery - Steve Mills & Richard Freeman

Post by Potty on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:44 pm

studio-pots wrote:Without a mark I don't think it is correct to use the word definite unless you have some other actual provenance.

Fair enough point and I would also not "officially" say this was his with without some form of caveat, I.e. "Looks like", but I was 99.9% convinced it was his Big Laughter

If I was selling this I would have no issue saying "Richard Freeman" for the title, but I would mention in the description that it is unmarked (as we thought it was), but that I was almost certain it was his.


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Post by NaomiM on Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:09 pm

Pair of jugs stamped Bath. I believe this is Steve Mills’ mark




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