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Post by sunnyices2 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:37 am

Hand blown onions shape vase looks very old... bought it yesterday and decided not to clean it... from the looks of it, it looks like it was jog out of the ground :)












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Post by brin mcardle on Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:35 pm

I'd say late 20th century Italian
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Post by NaomiM on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:10 pm

Possibly modern Egyptian reclaimed soda glass. - they do a lot of classical shapes with bubbles and a sand-blasted look for museums and tourists.
Check inside. If it's very clean then it's modern.

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Post by sunnyices2 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:59 am

just check inside it isn't clean.. i have made up my mind to take it to Victoria and Albert museum on Monday as it isn't far from my work..
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Post by JoFish on Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:57 pm

Egypt is a possibility, another is Lafiore (Majorca) who make this kind of stuff. I doubt it is older than twenty or thirty years.

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Post by Nic on Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:21 pm

Definitely has no real age to it - creating the look of 'excavated' glass is done during manufacture with metal salts and ash.

Check out the 'scavo' wares of Seguso:

https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t5569-seguso-vetri-d-arte-vetri-a-scavo-murano

And Cenedese:

https://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t5894-gino-cenedese-e-figlio-murano#48035

I don't think your piece is Italian, though - more inclined to agree with Egypt or Majorca as possible (probable) sources.
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Post by JoFish on Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:41 pm

This scavo vase was signed Moretti Murano, I thought a well made and subtle vase, never worked out which of the Morettis was likely to have made it though.

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Post by sunnyices2 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:39 pm

thanks guy for your opinion on this glass vase... i have a feeling about this piece... so decided to take it to a specialist tomorrow.. i will update you guys soonest cheers all :)
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Post by sunnyices2 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:53 pm

i just had a look at some piece made by Lafiore (Majorca spain... most of their piece are perfectly made, unlike hand made!! hand blown, while this one i have up on here is funny... the mouth is bend other way, is got a lot of air bubbles and shape itself isn't perfect... can be wrong who knows.. guess tomorrow i will find out myself
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Post by sunnyices2 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:59 pm

hello guys well i did take it to victoria and albert museum.. and one of their glass specialist said is a copy of an very early roman glass bottle.. and said this piece dates from around 1890 to 1900... so brin mcardle you where right with your opinion >>>> I'd say late 20th century Italian :) and thanks guys for all your opinion don't know what i'd done with you guys :)
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Post by sunnyices2 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:08 pm

meant to say don't know what i'd done without you guys Most Excellent
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Post by Nic on Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:27 pm

1890/1900 would make it late 19th Century or early 20th Century. But it's neither.

A couple of points -

  • Compared to glass made in Italy around the turn of the last century - and even to glass made in Roman times - the quality and the finish of the glass is very poor. Its glassmakers were highly trained artisans working in an expensive medium that was sold to wealthy families. Even reproductions of much older glass forms, which accounted for nearly all Italian glass in the late 1800s, were finely and flawlessly made.

  • I see very similar objects, in exactly the same types of wishy-washy modern colours, coming out by the crate-load at fairs across Europe - I politely declined a literal crate full of much smaller vases and bottles a few months back from someone who did a clearance of an old shop (closed in the mid-1980s).

  • Most importantly, the technique that makes the vase look artificially old, 'scavo', wasn't invented until the 1950s and didn't really catch on as a commercial process until the late 1960s.
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