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Post by NaomiM on September 28th 2013, 10:51 pm

I'm a big fan of Uys' stuff, and have a small bowl by him. I hope being at Leach Pottery doesn't mean he ends up just making brown pots.

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Re: Leach Pottery - St. Ives

Post by big ed on September 29th 2013, 8:03 am



I'm not too bothered what colour he does as long as he can turn out pieces like this one ( light brown)Laughter 

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Re: Leach Pottery - St. Ives

Post by studio-pots on September 29th 2013, 9:47 am

My problem with these pots is not that they are brown or well potted but that they and things produced there since the Committee took over have nothing whatsoever to do with the Leach Pottery.

Once Trevor Corser was got rid of the pottery to me stopped being the Leach Pottery and since then the seal and name has been continued for commercial reasons only.

The pots look fine but I wouldn't buy fake Leach Pottery pots, which is what they are to me.

They should have knocked the old pottery down and not exploited it, as they are doing now.

Very sad.

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Post by big ed on September 29th 2013, 10:08 am

I know what you mean John , I'm not sure , I spoke to Peter Swanson about it he Thinks the same as you and he is going to have talks about it as he's on the committee at leach pottery , to me personally , I think it's a fair mark as the pots were made at the leach pottery and therfore qualify use of the mark , why should there be a cut off point with say Corser , Amanda Briars used it until recently , I know it adds to a potters CV to say they potted there , Roelof has his personal incised mark on them and dated some 2013 as well , They are not fakes imo just pots in a long line of the pottery , the same debate wouldn't have happened if not for refurbishment , It''ll be talked about for a while I suppose Shrugs 

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Post by climberg64 on September 29th 2013, 10:33 am

I've never been much interested in Leach or any other pottery's standard ware. To me it's the named individual potter that's important so we can judge Roelof on his individual pieces not his ability to manage a small factory.
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Post by big ed on September 29th 2013, 11:01 am

Ok , the larger pots are not standard ware , I believe Roelof has took on a demanding job ( according to potters who know him) I don't class the studios as a factory it's a studio always has been . there's no doubt having the leach mark on your pots adds brownie points to your cv , no matter how good or bad the potter is , it's not even the individual potter that's important to an extent , it's the pots themselves that are important .

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Post by NaomiM on September 29th 2013, 12:04 pm

it's not even the individual potter that's important to an extent , it's the pots themselves that are important .

It depends on whether Roelof has a free hand in what he makes at the factory, or whether the shapes are determined by committee. Does he have to modify his designs to fits some sort of 'Leach' ethos?
Or is he just overseeing the continuing production of Leach Standard Wares, and he has free reign to make his own studio pottery there which he then puts his own name to?

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Post by big ed on September 29th 2013, 12:11 pm

He has his name on everything he makes , regardless of standard ware or his more freeform pots , I don't know if potters have to stay with any Leach ethos or not , I would hate to think they would get stifled that way , but I don't really Know Shrugs 

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Post by studio-pots on September 29th 2013, 1:01 pm

big ed wrote:I know what you mean John , I'm not sure , I spoke to Peter Swanson about it he Thinks the same as you and he is going to have talks about it as he's on the committee at leach pottery , to me personally , I think it's a fair mark as the pots were made at the leach pottery and therfore qualify use of the mark , why should there be a cut off point with say Corser , Amanda Briars used it until recently , I know it adds to a potters CV to say they potted there , Roelof has his personal incised mark on them and dated some 2013 as well , They are not fakes imo just pots in a long line of the pottery , the same debate wouldn't have happened if not for refurbishment , It''ll be talked about for a while I suppose Shrugs 
I know that there is no right or wrong here but the reason that for me Trevor Corser leaving the site meant the end of the Leach Pottery is that he was the last direct contact with Bernard Leach, as he had been taken on in the 1960s. So it has nothing to do with refurbishment, just continuity.

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Post by big ed on September 29th 2013, 1:56 pm

Yes but surely using the leach mark is the natural progression to do , as they can't have direct contact with the main man , having contact with say- Trevor and his work is the continuity that leach is known for , Warren Mackenzie was there last week making a film I don't know his views obviously , it will be interesting to see the outcome of the meets about the use of the famous mark .

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Post by NaomiM on September 29th 2013, 6:30 pm

There are lots of big named potteries that have changed hands and changed styles over the years but kept the name. Nothing wrong in that. My only bugbear is if they keep churning out copies of Leach's old pots, as that would be akin to counterfeiting.

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Post by big ed on September 29th 2013, 6:57 pm

I agree that too many potters produce similar stuff , the jugs associated with Bernard Leach would imo have his decoration , the form isn't just Leach as it was being created thousand of years before him , Credit to Bernard leach for many things but inventing the jug isn't one I would give him , it's not the leach pottery that's churning out these pieces it's countless other potters who are probably more interested in the glazes than the form which is their perogative I suppose , nout wrong with that ,most people couldn't tell a leach pot from any old pot at ten paces , it's only when they pick them up and see the name their opinions change .

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Post by studio-pots on September 29th 2013, 7:38 pm

NaomiM wrote:There are lots of big named potteries that have changed hands and changed styles over the years but kept the name. Nothing wrong in that. My only bugbear is if they keep churning out copies of Leach's old pots, as that would be akin to counterfeiting.
If you are talking about potteries that used to make their pots in Stoke and the five towns and now make them in the Far East then I agree that they have kept the name but I don't agree that there is nothing wrong with that. I can't think of any studio potteries where this has occurred though.

My problem isn't a change or development of style it's that there is no continuity. I am quite happy for any potter to be making pots on the site of the old Leach Pottery, even if they are raku or lustre decorated, but can't agree that they should be allowed to mark them with the Leach Pottery seal. Why would anyone want to unless it was for commercial reasons? I think it stiffles creativity.

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Post by big ed on September 29th 2013, 7:51 pm

We should probably have this in the Pottery discussion Thread , I am personally happy with potters using the mark of the pottery they are potting in , I can't think why not , yes it may very well be for commercial reasons , most things are , the leach family and asscociates have dined on it for years and continue to do so , they are probably happy that the pottery is still going , if you change the mark then the pottery is dead and gone imo.

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Post by studio-pots on September 29th 2013, 8:20 pm

When Janet Leach died the pottery was left to her friend and business partner, Mary Redgrave known as "Boots", but the pottery cottage belonged to David Leach, who had owned it from long before Bernard died. At that time he had no interest in keeping the operation going ,as he put the cottage on the market.

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Post by NaomiM on September 30th 2013, 1:00 am

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NaomiM wrote:There are lots of big named potteries that have changed hands and changed styles over the years but kept the name. Nothing wrong in that. My only bugbear is if they keep churning out copies of Leach's old pots, as that would be akin to counterfeiting.
If you are talking about potteries that used to make their pots in Stoke and the five towns and now make them in the Far East then I agree that they have kept the name but I don't agree that there is nothing wrong with that. I can't think of any studio potteries where this has occurred though.

My problem isn't a change or development of style it's that there is no continuity. I am quite happy for any potter to be making pots on the site of the old Leach Pottery, even if they are raku or lustre decorated, but can't agree that they should be allowed to mark them with the Leach Pottery seal. Why would anyone want to unless it was for commercial reasons? I think it stiffles creativity.

No I wasn't thinking of Staffordshire potteries. If you look through the list of potteries on the Studio Pottery website there are several that gave been in operation for several generations or have been passed from potter to potter. What the Leach pottery is doing is nothing new. But if they are churning out the same stuff then it's like the new Troika and new Carltonware, reusing the same moulds and, in Carltonware's case, putting the old stamp on it. I agree that stifles creativity. They should move with the times; take a tip from the likes of Richard Godfrey and John Pollex and jazz up their stuff.

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Post by philpot on September 30th 2013, 7:34 am

Isn't one of the main problems with the Leach Pottery now,is that its part of the whole Tourist/Heritage industry now? Visit St Ives itself,and its The Tate,Barbara Hepworth, and the Leach Pottery.
Is it even possible for the Pottery to launch off in an entirely new creative direction? Who would actually buy bright Red or Green pots(a la Godfrey & Pollex) with a St Ives mark. Are they now prisoners of their own history?
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Re: Leach Pottery - St. Ives

Post by slopingsteve on October 21st 2013, 4:26 pm


Speaking of carrying the Leach flame, this little yunomi/beaker was definitely right in the firing line when ...er, fired.One side is toasted, one side reduced. I wonder what the reaction was when it came out of the kiln.
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Post by slopingsteve on October 21st 2013, 4:34 pm


This is the mark. I think it is quite early judging by the mark, clay and general amateurishness of the decoration, throwing and finishing.
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Post by studio-pots on October 21st 2013, 5:04 pm

I think that it is the shape of beaker that Bernard developed at Dartington in 1932-33 when he was working on a functional ware range for St. Ives, so likely to have been made around 1935 to 1939.

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Post by mowen on November 1st 2013, 10:33 am

Hello :) been looking and looking , does anyone know when the leach pottery started to mark their pots with the England stamp? Trying to dates pot With a possible bl stamp. Annoying as was there last week and could have asked!
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Post by studio-pots on November 1st 2013, 4:50 pm

I can't give you a definitive answer but I don't recall seeing any Leach pots from pre-1945 with an England stamp on them.

From 1945 and through the late 1940s the Leach Standard Ware range production grew but most was snapped up by Heal's, Liberty and John Lewis. Therefore there would have been little if any available for export for which it would be necessary to stamp the pots with "England".

So I think it is likely to be from the early 1950s that the stamp was introduced and I would imagine it would have continued to be used until Standard Ware production stopped upon Bernard's death.

What do you have that you want to date?


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