How to ID pottery

Recently we touched on the problem of identifying unmarked pottery, as with unmarked glass the ID process can be confusing and uncertain with many contradictory theories and ideas.

As we have a varied group of collectors from all corners of the earth, I thought it a good opportunity to compare notes + share techniques and resources, I look forward to your tips, advice and comments.

This thread Dan set up could maybe help us with more identification of pots , as it's always a topical feature on the forum , we do have a good mix of members with various interests ,so feel free to leave any info you might think would help regarding finding out those hard to read or obscure names .
We will never ever be able to Id all the studio pots around , as you know every town , village, hamlet etc, all had potters ,Pros & Ams , multiply that around the country , then add other countries and we see the problem , but every new one Id'd is a bonus .

http://www.studiopottery.com/

The Studio Pottery site is excellent and well used .

http://www.cpaceramics.co.uk/link.php

The Craft Potters Association

The majority of studio potters do mark their work, even if we don't know the name of the potter that corresponds to the mark. Even then occasionally people just forget to mark the odd pot, which is more often the case with production of standard wares such as Winchcombe.

However, the real problem is that some important potters don't mark their work or have gone through stages of not marking it and this leads to mis-attribution. The Japanese potter, Shoji Hamada, is an example of this and, although exhibition work was supplied with a marked box, it is very easy to take out the Hamada pot and replace it with an unmarked pot that is similar and sell this on as being by Hamada himself.

In the UK the work of Richard Batterham, Svend Bayer and Clive Bowen comes to mind and you often see unmarked pieces similar (or sometimes not that similar) to their work in auctions both around the country and online with a firm attribution. The only way to stop being caught is to see enough of the work of the potter in question. Maybe it would help to have an "unmarked pottery" section on here split into potters, who don't mark, with images of their work?

an inspired idea,we need to make it more specific though or it will get clogged up with all the unmarked but worthless

Yes I think one of the consultants on here needs to have the power of who to include.

For example, besides the UK potters I have mentioned I might suggest Patrick Sargent but think that I ought to either have to make a case for his inclusion or be prepared for it to be removed to another section if not felt appropriate.

I would be happy to go along with something like that.

I wouldn't want to make that decision...perhaps we could have premier and first divisions

I think as the thread priority is about IDing pots then comments , attributions etc should all be included here , the potters who don't mark their work can be featured here with a pic or two as a guide and then discussed ,( I know seeing the stuffin the flesh should be the best guide) the shoji hamada piece I saw only had a "MADE IN JAPAN " label , also I heard some prisoners doing pottery classes were turning out very good Bernard Leach pots , so it aint easy

I agree big ed that it isn't easy and there is nothing like seeing and touching pots but I think that it is a good idea to give people who visit this forum as much information as possible to help them make a better judgement.

For example I haven't seen the Japanese pot you mention but if I was told that something with a "Made in Japan" label was by Hamada I would walk away and advise anyone else to do the same.

yes , I thought the same , but there you go some actually had that label on them , I saw it in the paisley museum where they have a very good collection .

Lot 290: Shoji Hamada (1894-1978) A stoneware charger, wax Shoji Hamada - 1894-1978
Auction House: Woolley & Wallis
Auction Location: United Kingdom
Auction Title: British Art Pottery
Auction Date: 2009
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Description: Shoji Hamada (1894-1978) A stoneware charger, wax resist decorated with a flower stem in tenmoku, remains of Made in Japan paper label 31.5cm. high
Here's a description from an old auction.

I was at the sale, saw the charger and walked away and if I had been asked I would have advised anyone else to do the same.

To expand on that, the charger looks as if it might be by Hamada but only "might". The only attribution is by the vendor and the auction house, which is worth nothing, as they have everything to gain from the charger selling for the highest price and there was nothing else to back up their attribution. The label is a negative.

Basically no-one can be certain if Hamada made the charger or not, if they could be then it would have sold for far more than it did.

well I have no reason to doubt the integrity of the museum piece that I saw in paisley , as hamada didn't sign much of his stuff except in the early days then the provenance is with the holder , this piece was displayed alongside numerous bernard leach , luci rei, cardew , coper pieces etc , I would also be wary at an auction though .