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Post by big ed on December 20th 2009, 8:49 pm

MMmm , I don't really see were this is going , (round in circles probably ) I have my own ideas about why fakes /copies are made and I am also well aware of market prices on ebay and websites and shops ,antique fairs , etc.they are all part and parcel of trade , but I think we really need to getaway from this idea that there is a group of teenagers busying themselves turning out fake pottery , it just aint happening IMO

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Post by Davee on July 1st 2010, 8:28 pm

Fairly sure this is Briglin but wanted it confirmed as its unmarked.


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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by Pip on July 1st 2010, 9:13 pm

Seconded. Whilst not all Briglin is marked I bet if you scrutinise around the edge of the base you'll find a vague impressed mark somewhere infilled with glaze - it's often the case I've found with these types of vases.

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by bistoboy on July 1st 2010, 9:24 pm

i'm not sure i agree. I think this is by John Virando, Richmond Hill pottery. John did work at the Briglin pottery but left to set up his own works. I think it's more in his style.
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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by Pip on July 1st 2010, 9:28 pm

John Virando left Briglin to set up a pottery in Richmond Hill (not far from me) he continued making very Briglin looking pieces when he left but marked them always with a JV and sometimes JV Richmond Hill on the base but never unmarked I'm lead to believe.

We have a John Virando thread here - I'll find it for you - it would be virtually impossible to distinguish between a John Virando Briglin piece and a John Virando Richmond Hill piece by eye since there appears to be no apparent difference in style - when he left Richmond Hill and moved to Scotland (where he died) his style seemed to change quite dramatically.

So anyway, to cut a long story short - this unlikely to be a John Virando Richmond Hill piece but more likely a Briglin piece possibly made by John.

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by Pip on July 1st 2010, 9:41 pm

I can't find the John Virando info anywhere (the search facility on this board is rubbish - it's around somewhere). Anyway, here's a link showing one of John's pieces from Richmond Hill in my sold archives - I have a few more somewhere I'll try and get up here too.

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by Davee on July 1st 2010, 9:45 pm

I've scrutinised all the edges and can't find any indication of a mark Pip.

http://www.studiopottery.com/cgi-bin/pp.cgi?item=1994

I'm sure its Briglin, this decor is very similar

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by Pip on July 1st 2010, 9:52 pm

The point re: the decor Dave is that John produced virtually exactly the same pieces in Richmond Hill as he did when he was at Briglin - even to the point of using the same clay. The only differences appear to be in the markings and I *think* although I can't provide proof he was obliged to mark his Richmond Hill production so that it wasn't mistaken for Briglin.

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by Pip on July 1st 2010, 10:07 pm

No difference in price but it's safe to assume that unless it has JV in black on the base then it's an unmarked Briglin.

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by philpot on November 20th 2010, 12:15 pm

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by philpot on November 20th 2010, 4:41 pm



They did do other colours of course. Happy
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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

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briglin or not

Post by big ed on April 2nd 2011, 4:33 pm



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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by big ed on April 2nd 2011, 4:36 pm



Bought at charity shop for 2 , but not sure if it's briglin , I personally don't think so as the chamfered edge base normally seen on B pottery aint there , so any ideas ?

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by Davee on April 2nd 2011, 5:07 pm

Me thinks not, clay doesn't look dark enough, nice pot though. Its a bit in the Rye style.

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by TrippyPip on April 4th 2011, 9:26 am

Personally I think it's absolutely fine for Briglin and I'm fairly sure there's something in the Briglin book with the same glaze design - will double check for you Ed.
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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by studio-pots on April 4th 2011, 10:54 am

It is definitely not Rye Pottery but like TP I think that is could well be Briglin. It is not the usual dark terracotta and the edge isn't chamfered but they often forgot to mark their pieces and the style and decoration is very much Briglin. Can't be certain though.
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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by Davee on April 4th 2011, 11:18 am

I was basing my view on the colour of the clay, I know some of the earlier Briglin was made with a white clay but as you say SP, almost all is the dark Terracotta.

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by TrippyPip on April 4th 2011, 3:10 pm

On page 69 of the Anthea Arnold Briglin book there are shown a few vases, planters and pots a couple of which are decorated with the same pattern as your vase Ed. The colour of the clay also looks fine to me for Briglin.
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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by Davee on April 4th 2011, 6:39 pm

TrippyPip wrote: The colour of the clay also looks fine to me for Briglin.

Must be my monitor then!

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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by TrippyPip on April 5th 2011, 8:15 am

The later clay used by Briglin was a reddy terracotta colour - exactly what Ed's is - I'm not sure what colour you think it should be Davey? Other features on Ed's pot which also say Briglin - a) the design b) the fact that the base is infilled with the white glaze c) the 'rings' inside the vase d) very similar items in Anthea's book.
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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by TrippyPip on April 5th 2011, 8:59 am

Actually, since I've sold a fair bit of Briglin over the years, I thought it might be helpful to highlight the variation in clay colour. I could probably show quite a few more however here are 2 different marked Briglin items where the clay colours are quite different. One is the reddy terracotta like Ed's vase above to the darker brown mentioned by Dave. Both pieces are 'right'.

http://www.pips-trip.co.uk/sold-pottery-archives/british-pottery-2/showitem-ABRIG-VASE1.aspx

http://www.pips-trip.co.uk/sold-pottery-archives/british-pottery-2/showitem-ABRIG-BOWLS3.aspx


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