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Post by Pip on February 8th 2008, 11:34 am

The Briglin Pottery in London was established in 1948 by Brigitte Appleby (nee Goldschmidt) and Eileen Lewenstein.





























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Post by Pip on February 11th 2008, 9:02 pm

some pretty Briglin bowls (stacked) ...


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Post by Pip on March 24th 2009, 4:26 pm

A Briglin rabbit moneybox, circa 1960/70s


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Post by Pip on March 25th 2009, 6:14 pm

Briglin Robin moneybox




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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by dantheman on April 23rd 2009, 8:18 pm

I know nothing about Briglin but I loved the look of these two goblets so I had to buy them

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Post by Pip on May 4th 2009, 1:54 pm

This is a fabulous little bowl - a really nice early example on the white clay - dating from the early 1950s (there's a photograph in the Briglin book of their London showroom in 1953 and on one of the shelves are several small bowls with the same glaze colours and incised style of decoration).





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Post by hercules brabazon on September 9th 2009, 2:51 pm

19cm vase with apple core design.
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Post by hercules brabazon on September 9th 2009, 2:55 pm

Pleasingly chunky furrowed pot , 11cm high.
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Post by Pip on September 14th 2009, 10:32 pm

An onion shaped vase.


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Post by Pip on September 16th 2009, 3:34 pm

I think this is a bud vase however it could be a candleholder...


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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by big ed on December 6th 2009, 8:05 pm



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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by 22 Crawford St. on December 19th 2009, 11:00 pm

Hi Pip, Hi Everyone.alex(at)briglin.com here. Thanks Pip for pointing me here - funny that I've not found this corner of the internet before as I search all the time.

I set up Briglin.com this year to promote Briglin Pottery. Briglin is great to collect. It's not an 'Art' pottery but more 'table' pottery. It comes is all shapes and sizes (but not colours!.. haha, BROWN & WHITE mostly!) from large vases to tiny animals. Brigette did not miss a trick here and sold very small items so people could always leave the shop with a purchase. I really wanted to say that I'm here to help. I don't make money from my site, I do it because I care. If any collector needs help then ask, I'll be happy to help out.

I am also on the scrounge..... I'm really looking for information about Briglin Pottery, who when where! If you have a collection you want linking etc then contact me.

From the above pictures I like them all, but hercules brabazon's little pot is strong. I like it a lot. Briglin varies, there were many potters who passed through, some started young and had to be 'trained up'. So pieces are not consistent. Some shapes are strong and clean, some are overworked and rubbish. You need to pick the good from the bad...and from the fake :(

Please be careful when buying off eBay, I am SURE that much is fake, especially the animals. I can't be certain, but I'm pretty sure. I can't tell you how here. Really there is two groups of fakers; the armature and the pro, people make pieces and put them on eBay, they have little modeling skills and are copying pieces off the internet and you can see this in the finished result. Normally they are misshapen, skew eyed freaks!...lol The is a faker out there faking rare pieces, he recently put x3 of the tall black/white flower vases on eBay.... all three sold. It's sad. You might ask how I know? Well I've been collecting for years, and I keep a record of all Briglin sold on eBay. Suddenly pieces start appearing, all slightly 'wrong' - I can tell the difference as I have a lot to compare with, but I feel sorry for other who do not. Please be careful with anything on eBay...

On a brighter note, there is still a lot of Briglin out there! Go and find it, the hunt is most of the fun! I still love the rush you get when you look down and...there on the table before you is... is .. ... is it? It must be.

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Post by 22 Crawford St. on December 19th 2009, 11:06 pm

Big Ed.... I have some bad news for you :(

Yes your bunny...... is probably a fake.. did he come off ebay? Was it inexpensive? Look at it. Proportions are all wrong to start with. He looks odd. Strange stare. Shape is wrong. He might have a stamp on his base but you should forget this. There are a few giveaways.
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Re: Briglin Pottery (London)

Post by big ed on December 20th 2009, 9:35 am

Hi Alex , thanks for all the info , I bought the Bunny at an antiques fair in Malvern for 8 , so no great money , the seller I have known for years and would never knowingly sell anything dodgy , it has a briglin england impressed mark on the base and stands just under 7" tall , I think he looks great and it would be good to see a picture of a genuine one for comparison if you have one , why do you think anyone would go to all the bother of faking these when they are worth very little ? Cheers , Ed

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Post by Pip on December 20th 2009, 10:15 am

big ed wrote:Hi Alex , thanks for all the info , I bought the Bunny at an antiques fair in Malvern for 8 , so no great money , the seller I have known for years and would never knowingly sell anything dodgy , it has a briglin england impressed mark on the base and stands just under 7" tall , I think he looks great and it would be good to see a picture of a genuine one for comparison if you have one , why do you think anyone would go to all the bother of faking these when they are worth very little ? Cheers , Ed

Ed, I've put a photo of a Briglin bunny rabbit on the first page of this thread - wee small picture but it does enlarge when clicked. Mine has lopped over ears and matches very well the one in the Anthea Turner book - I presume Alex has seen my rabbit? (hi again Alex - it's great you joined up!).

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Post by Pip on December 20th 2009, 10:19 am

Actually I can see some marked differences in the two rabbits if you put the photos side by side and compare them - the ears and eyes are very differently worked. I think I can see the same differences in the owl you flagged up too Alex... hmmmmm

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Post by big ed on December 20th 2009, 10:54 am

MMmm, i dunno Pip, i don't see much difference, mines is bigger with straighter ears , but the clay is correct and colouring , I would have to see others to make a better comparison ,do they have model numbers or something like that maybe ?, I am not too bothered as I don't collect them and this came as a job lot buy with other makes and for all I paid methinks it was worth it

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Post by Pip on December 20th 2009, 11:17 am

Look carefully at the ears and eyes... I think the glazes look quite different too as well - we need to get the photos side by side and the same size really.

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Post by 22 Crawford St. on December 20th 2009, 3:16 pm

Hi all. If it did come come a reliable source and he did not get it cheaply off the internet (which is doubtful) then it could be real. I have not seen a rabbit of those proportion in 4 years of looking. If it is real then it's not a very 'typical' rabbit... (could have myxomatosis?). His head is out of proportion, there is no detail, he look rushed in a bad way, ears are different, tummy different, colours and glaze different. Now, he could have been made really late, and many, many people made items as they passed through Briglin. I just think he's not a great example even if he is real. Briglin can be good and some can be really rubbish, especially so with the animals. To be honest you see some rubbish made by kids being sold on the internet that are way off. Several years ago the Briglin being sold on eBay was consistent, but now strange 'rare' (and badly made) items are for sale all the time - strange shapes, odd plates, odd glazes. If you think of Poole Pottery then it's very hard to fake as the shapes are discreet and fixed. Not so with Briglin. One persons cat is different from another's. Perhaps I am being over cautious, but I have to be, as if I feature faked items on my website, then by default they are assumed to be real. I have about 20 items still to add to my website including x2 Briglin Mushrooms that cam from Pip two years ago. I can't prove that they are real. They are small and have no stamps, but the glaze is right, the decoration is skilled and they have been made by someone who knows what he's doing (or she). I was waiting in the hope that more came up on eBay or the internet somewhere so I could have something to compare with. Unfortunately I have not seen any ever. If I put them on my website then 'suddenly' more Briglin mushrooms will start to appear on eBay. It's happened with other items I've posted. Copies (and poor copies) start to appear very soon after. Not proof ,but VERY suspicious indeed. That is why I don't publish base or mark information on most items on my website. I keep something back. Consider this; If you wanted to fake items would you make a set of six goblets that took great skill to make them consistent or some misshapen bunny with strange eyes? The price being asked for some animals is approx 40 on eBay... Some snotty nosed teenager could make himself a few quid in his pottery class..

BR

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Read this Times article:

Art teacher Jeremy Broadway made 20,000 from fake pots

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Post by Pip on December 20th 2009, 6:19 pm

Alex - we know exactly where you're coming from. We're all equally concerned about getting cast-iron attributions - especially with many of us being website owners, we're more than anxious not to perpetuate the eBay myths - i.e. that all colourful cased glass is Holmegaard, that every glass vase with a polished pontil is Whitefriars - those old chestnuts! Both mine and Nic's websites are regularly 'ransacked' by eBayers using them for information to help sell their own pieces (often wording and photographs are stolen) so we're well aware just how important it is for us to get things right.

The mushrooms are interesting though, I sold them as Briglin, because I was certain they were at the time but I can't even remember where I got them from now so can't be sure what that was based on - perhaps they were sold to me as Briglin - or more likely they just screamed Briglin to me as they seem to be doing to you. I've also never ever seen other Briglin mushrooms or even similar non-attributed mushrooms on the internet or at any fair - which could suggest that either they're not Briglin or they are and they're super rare (I hope it's the latter!)

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Post by big ed on December 20th 2009, 6:44 pm

Alex , I am a little confused , if you have never seen another rabbit like it , how can you compare it ,as you yourself say ,some briglin animals are rubbish , but they are just caracatures after all ,I don't see a connection with a forger selling bernard leach copies and a teenager (snotty or not) in pottery class , regarding the mushroom things , surely if you put them on your site and if it follows loads appear that would answer at least one question , the briglin stuff on ebay doesn't seem to attract any price at all at the moment ,even cheap buy it nows .

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Post by Pip on December 20th 2009, 6:56 pm

I have, in the past, seen Briglin sell for decent money on eBay but I tend to buy much more at real life auctions and fairs these days so I don't know what prices Briglin is fetching currently on eBay because I don't tend to watch it. I do know however that Briglin is selling for decent money from specialist websites (mine and other similar ones) and has been hotly tipped by some industry 'experts' - I think Mark Hill may have been one of those who tipped it as a future collectable in his blog, so the prices being obtained for nice pieces on the internet are healthy and rising. I don't think it's unfeasible for someone to fake Briglin and we know from our own discussions on this board that sadly there are a number of fakers and unscrupulous dealers on eBay presently.

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Post by big ed on December 20th 2009, 7:04 pm

I think your right about being able to fake them ,anything can be faked ,but to fake pieces that are not worth very much doesn't make any sense , briglin has been tipped for quite a while now and it's good to know that the better pieces are selling , but on ebay you can get stuff for very little money .

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Post by big ed on December 20th 2009, 7:23 pm

There is fake troika , clarice cliff, whitefriars , bernard leach , hamada, paintings galore ,the list is endless and so called "experts" are fooled everyday ,(A)because the are not experts , (B), they want to believe in the thing or not and (c) they follow the leader, but what you can't say is something is a fake because it doesn't look quite right , more evidence would be required IMO

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Post by 22 Crawford St. on December 20th 2009, 7:57 pm

Big Ed, you miss understood me, I've seen loads and loads of Briglin Rabbits, they all follow the same formula..... normally, that one is really odd. Strange. Unusually odd. Yes it could have been made by an apprentice. I listed what was odd about it, I don't wish to elaborate here. If I see his brother or sister then I will start believe he's real.

I only posted the Times article to show that there is enough money in it for forgers. That guy was a pro and wanted 1000's for his efforts. Everyone has their level. Teenagers might be happy with 10 for their fake owl they made in School Art class, but I suspect they just get a kick out of selling something they made and fooling people. Again, I am VERY skeptical, I have to be.

If you turn things round and I had a strange looking piece of Holmegaard glass (no base pic), you could not prove it was not real. You might think it looks real odd and things are not right, odd shape but proves nothing. it very hare to prove something is a fake 100%.

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