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Post by abstract toad on June 12th 2018, 5:31 pm

A nice stoneware lidded pot. Some similarities with the work of R.Batterham, but I don't think it is one of his. Happy to be told otherwise though.
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Post by philpot on June 12th 2018, 5:57 pm

Don't think its Batterham. Not quite right glazes or style. But as to who? Michael Gaitskell? †David Winkley? Could be a lot of potters. Naomi might have a better idea.
† † † † † Probably a victim of the dreaded gold label syndrome. They all used them back in the 70's, and they all dropped off. Really not a good idea to buy unmarked Studio, unless you really like it for your own personal collection. You will find it almost impossible to sell.
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Post by NaomiM on June 12th 2018, 6:10 pm

Sorry I donít know about unmarked pots. Looks like a quality piece. Maybe Dodd or Batterham or one of the other potters who donít mark their pieces.

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Post by abstract toad on June 12th 2018, 7:11 pm

Thanks for your feedback Naomi.
I agree, it is of some quality. it'll show itself at some point, I'll keep digging 😊
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Post by philpot on June 12th 2018, 7:13 pm

Just don't get to Australia! Laughter
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Post by abstract toad on June 12th 2018, 7:23 pm

Cheers Phil , though this is the first of a tub full of pots that are unmarked, purchased over the last few years & all boot sale buys.
A lot of these are favourite pieces and I have no idea who made any of them. They were too attractive to ignore at the time.
Some will get culled & some can stay put .
Makes good sense what you say about the labels, I'm sure I've a couple knocking about with the remnants of, quite frustrating.
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Post by abstract toad on June 12th 2018, 7:25 pm

Isn't there someone over there that knocked out a stack of Leach St Ives fakes?
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Post by NaomiM on June 12th 2018, 7:33 pm

Someone in China or Japan knocking out a load of Bernard Leach fakes, purporting to date from the 50s

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Post by philpot on June 12th 2018, 7:34 pm

Been there done that. I know exactly how you feel. That WOW! Boot sale feeling when you have trudged by dozens of dreary or over-priced stands, and that piece screams at you, and its cheapo! The adrenalin runs, and the excitement is overwhelming.
But unless its got a mark.....In the end Phut. In the 1970's there were many hundereds -if not thousands- of potters coming out of college courses with the idea of becoming a potter. It sounded an attractive life, exactly chiming with the spirit of the times. So there were very many good potters producing lots of nice looking work. Most of them stopped potting, or ended up doing it part time. Its those whose work you mostly find at Boot sales, and its almost impossible to find out who they were.
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Post by abstract toad on June 12th 2018, 7:46 pm

Lol, I've probably got one of the best collections of failed potters then 😭
Joking asides, to buy and use pieces like this for a few pounds is a privilege. I couldn't rent something for such a small amount of money, never mind own it. It is a win win really.
That's a part of it for me too Phil. Like you say, table after table of everyday stuff, then this shines out at you, yes please.

Reference Leach Naomi, I was sure I'd read something about someone in Oz some time ago. It was around the time I found out about another faker in Featherstone. I must have a dig online to look this up again, it was quite an enterprise from what I can remember.
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Post by abstract toad on June 12th 2018, 7:52 pm

Sorry, missed the link.
Thanks for that. I can well imagine a few people getting caught out by that. The marks looks pretty convincing on my phone. I'll have a proper look when online.
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Post by philpot on June 12th 2018, 8:17 pm

Of course if you are using it, it is entirely a different matter. We have a whole load of Winchcombe plates, bowls, mugs and cups which we have bought over the years at Boots and charity shops cheaply. Its amazing stuff. Beautifully made, incredibly strong, and it lasts forever.
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Post by NaomiM on June 12th 2018, 11:05 pm

I think itís likely to be by Batterham. Seen a set of lidded storage pots by him online with the same swirl on the lid. And the clay and glaze look right.

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Post by philpot on June 13th 2018, 6:35 am

You have me doubting now Naomi. Greatly respect your opinion. But its the classic query over unmarked pots. Is it? Isn't †it? Really the only way ever to finally settle queries like that is selling it on the open market. It those areas of lighter glaze on the lid and the body, worry me. Anyways, here is one of mine. Definitely is a Batterham. Do they compare? Not the greatest photo this time of the morning!
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Post by abstract toad on June 13th 2018, 9:04 am

You may well be right Naomi, though difficult to be sure, but I have found some similar pieces. Thank you so much for having a dig around.

That is a nice pot Phil and it looks right, from what little I know, more so (in my opinion) than the one I have here.

Does anyone know exactly when he stopped signing his work?

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Post by abstract toad on June 13th 2018, 9:14 am

Love Winchcombe Phil, though have only ever displayed it.
Most pieces we use are by unknowns, asides from one or two. I enjoy eating my cereals from a C.Kellam bowl and my morning coffee goes straight into a Peter Dick receptacle. A fair few A&J Young bits of stoneware that get used, lovely pots, I believe that they have started up their kilns again, but will have to check this to be sure.
We do have some remnants of a service that my daughter in law bought us, mass manufactured and completely soulless. It was hard to look pleased (but I did) when we opened it, as I knew it would be here for years and it is awful to look at. Thank goodness she never reads these boards LOL.
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Post by studio-pots on June 13th 2018, 8:37 pm

I might be wrong but nothing about this lidded pot suggests to me that it's by Batterham. The side handles are rare on Batterham pieces, with a handle on the lid his preference. Even when he did side handles these are far too clumsy to make me believe that it was made by him.

With an unmarked pot you can never be sure unless the potter admits that he made it but either way it isn't going to make much difference value-wise.

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Post by philpot on June 14th 2018, 8:15 am

Fascinating range of different opinions. Which probably goes to show one thing. Buy ummarked pots because you like them, they are fairly unlikely to have much value. The same could probably apply to marked pots that you cannot identify.
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Post by abstract toad on June 15th 2018, 5:04 pm

I must admit, the handles do not look right to me either, which is one of the reasons I doubted it was his to begin with.
Having said that, the lid looks right, from what little I know.
I do have a couple of his pieces, but they are nothing like this whatsoever.
It is a quality pot, whoever made it, and I can see why I bought it Rolling Eyes

Thank you all for the feedback.
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Post by philpot on June 15th 2018, 5:19 pm

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Post by abstract toad on June 15th 2018, 5:27 pm

Oh Phil, that is not the rub at all. I give more pots away than I sell, the last one to someone on here last week. It is not all about selling, believe it or not. I will give the caps lock a miss!!
You do strike me as a little fixated.
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Post by abstract toad on June 15th 2018, 5:33 pm

Sorry, I thought I was on the page with the small cup that I was looking to get identified..

Yes, I will be trying to sell this, it will go online with some other bits. I really have no issues with whether it sells or not.
I will certainly not be putting any names with question marks in the heading, it will go on as a studio pot & if someone wants it they can have it. Probably for around £20 I should imagine.

I will keep you posted, or you can keep an eye on it via my ebay if you wish.
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Post by philpot on June 15th 2018, 5:33 pm

Ouch! Laughter
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Post by abstract toad on June 15th 2018, 5:42 pm

Sorry, was I a bit sharp there?
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