Unusual shape, old - Berber, Algeria/Morocco

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Unusual shape, old - Berber, Algeria/Morocco

Post by lindylou08 on May 6th 2017, 10:49 am

Any ideas on this please? Terracotta, white slip, surface decorated. 5" high







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Re: Unusual shape, old - Berber, Algeria/Morocco

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Post by lindylou08 on May 6th 2017, 4:53 pm

Well I never
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Post by NaomiM on May 6th 2017, 6:01 pm

OMG! You bought that lot? I was the underbidder. I left a note inside with my email address, in case you wanted to sell. PM me if you are.
Yes, as Hercules says, Ancient Greek origin, although I don't know the exact date. I wanted it because I used to work with such pieces at UCL and always wanted one to remind myself of those times :)


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Re: Unusual shape, old - Berber, Algeria/Morocco

Post by tenpot on May 6th 2017, 8:49 pm

looks like a morrocan pot I've got
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Post by lindylou08 on May 6th 2017, 8:59 pm

Do you have a photo Tenpot? Anything that'll help identification
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Post by NaomiM on May 6th 2017, 9:31 pm

Found it, I think. Berber, Algeria. I have a plate with the same clay and type of decoration but didn't recognise it because of the different shape. (Very similar clay and decoration found across the region, from Cypriot geometric pottery to the Indus Valley and Neolithic Chinese pottery).

http://pin.it/Pu5Veqt

http://www.20thcenturyforum.com/t18468-berber-pottery-kabyle-algeria#143195


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Post by Mordeep on May 7th 2017, 4:41 am

Seen a few of these style pots over the last few years. There is quite a demand for north African and Persian ceramics In Europe. This is likely to be a modern version aged to suggest a period piece. Most 600+ year old pots I have handled from the region have museum restoration and that opens up a can of worms due to the troubles some of these countries have had and the looting of museums by various factions. It is why some auction houses want a proven family history dating back before the 1980's before they handle some of these older looking items but as England and London is the antiquities trading capital of the world there is a lot out there.
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Post by lindylou08 on May 7th 2017, 7:23 am

Very interesting and thanks Mordeep. What would 'modern version' mean date wise? Any idea?
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Post by Mordeep on May 7th 2017, 8:45 am

lindylou08 wrote:Very interesting and thanks Mordeep. What would 'modern version' mean date wise? Any idea?

Modern can be a bit confusing when relating to these ceramics. The very very new ones are thrown, painted and then aged by putting in the ground for a few weeks or if they are feeling lazy just dusted with sand. Still made in the same part of the world but now for tourists not locals. A couple of years back I came across a stall at Lincoln with about a 100 sanded pots in various trays for sale. They are decorative but have no signs of wear and the painting looks very bright in places.

Then you have the 100+ year pots that were plain and recently gained decoration. Those are more difficult to spot but again the wear to the decoration is the thing to look for.

Of course then you have the much older ones produced anytime up to about a thousand years ago, those are often grave goods and have been dug up. Hence the sand/dirt. But nearly all of those are damaged and clearly restored at some point (its called museum restoration and not designed to hide the damage).

My guess would be yours was produced in the last 20 years by how bright that base is and sold as a replica. But I could be very wrong. Check out a company called timeline auctions. You should be able to look through some old lots to get an attribute and date if it is period. I used to use them for reference when ever I picked up items like yours.


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Post by NaomiM on May 7th 2017, 2:28 pm

It does seem to be unevenly worn implying it's less that 100 years old and sanded down by the maker after painting.

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Post by lindylou08 on May 7th 2017, 2:45 pm

Intriguing. Wonder how it came to be owned by Mary Wondrausch. Comparing it to her own work and the contents of her home at Brickfields which sang with colour
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Post by NaomiM on May 7th 2017, 3:10 pm

She had an interest in antiquity; there were a couple of chests full of shreds etc. that she had collected over time.

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Re: Unusual shape, old - Berber, Algeria/Morocco

Post by tenpot on May 9th 2017, 9:20 pm

this is the pot a morracan guy brought over some years ago not an old one , sorry its a bit dark real colour like the other pot
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Post by lindylou08 on May 11th 2017, 7:12 am

Thanks for that Tenpot, very similar. Except for the face!! I think the faded part of my pot may be as a result of the position that Mary displayed it in her house. Probably been sitting in a window for years! Decoration is surface painted.
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