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Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by scolada on December 22nd 2015, 8:29 pm

Hi all,

Firstly, Merry Christmas all or Happy Holidays if you'd prefer. Hope its a great one for everyone.

I'm looking for some help with an ID on my chamber pot. I originally thought it may be 1870's American. Maybe James Carr (New York Pottery) but while the backstamp is extremely close, it's not perfect and so I'm looking for a bit of help. Here is a picture of the pot, the backstamp and one that I've found of James Carr online.

I can make out the bottom which reads "Dieu et mon droit". I cant make out the initials or what is around the initials in the center so now I'm stumped. Can anyone offer any suggestions? Cheers.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tni9whv9xlnqvs4/IMG_5746.JPG?dl=0



https://www.dropbox.com/s/zdipt0hxttda4yq/IMG_5747.JPG?dl=0



https://www.dropbox.com/s/he0ip1ldki2xd0u/james_carr.jpg?dl=0

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Post by denbydump on December 22nd 2015, 8:34 pm

Well I'm not sure I can recall the term "stone china" being used by British potteries,
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Post by studio-pots on December 22nd 2015, 8:51 pm

I had never heard the term used here in the UK but checked in Goddens (Ency. of British Pottery & Porcelain Marks) and it was a term used in the Potteries for ironstone earthenware by a number of firms in the 19th century.

The lion and unicorn are the British Royal Arms and this version was used by a number of British potteries post 1837................... but foreign firms used it too.

My guess is that it is American but a firm copying James Carr copying a Staffordshire mark.

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Post by denbydump on December 22nd 2015, 8:59 pm

There's something about those handles, just doesn't seem British somehow......
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Post by studio-pots on December 22nd 2015, 9:04 pm

denbydump wrote:There's something about those handles, just doesn't seem British somehow......

Agree

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Re: Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by scolada on December 22nd 2015, 9:18 pm

I originally thought that but I've seen very similar by Alfred Meakin and Powell Bishop. If this is a knock off of a knock off, I'll be very disappointed! Surrender
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Post by carlos32golf on December 22nd 2015, 10:59 pm

would need a full shot of the base including the rim of the base to be 100% , possibly done in the oriental style which was popular in the late 19th century.

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Re: Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by scolada on December 22nd 2015, 11:11 pm

Here you go. Thank you.



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Re: Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by carlos32golf on December 23rd 2015, 8:52 am

I would say it is 20th century , maybe 1940's

A reproduction of an earlier style
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Re: Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by denbydump on December 23rd 2015, 9:17 am

After seeing the last 2 base pix, I think even more recent than that.
A few years ago the trade was flooded with ironstone type wares, mainly
blue and white, all carrying spurious backstamps, like "Victoria china" or
even crude attempts at copying Staffordshire marks, eg Carlton Ware,
(often with spelling mistakes).
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Re: Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by Potty on December 23rd 2015, 10:48 am

It does look like a modern reproduction sorry :(

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Re: Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by Mordeep on December 23rd 2015, 12:35 pm

I can't say much about the stamp but the ground in dirt on the base points to it having a fair amount of age. The design is a little weird with a mix of styles. But if someone handed it to me to guess its age I would say 1880-1890 and that is simply because of the transfer printed sprig applied on the top and sides. It's very aesthetic movement and I have seen a lot of similar oriental inspired designs pop up on tiles from 1880's. I think it was probably a pretty plain chamber pot that they added the latest fashion to help sell.
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Post by Potty on December 23rd 2015, 1:35 pm

I don't believe this type round molded foot is found on 19th century ceramics.

I think late 20th century at best personally. I hope I am wrong.

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Re: Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by scolada on December 23rd 2015, 4:21 pm

Thank you all for the replies. It's much appreciated and I know that these types of things can be difficult.

Hope you all have a Merry Christmas and a Healthy and Prosperous New Year.

Scott.
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Re: Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by Mordeep on December 23rd 2015, 4:42 pm

Potty wrote:I don't believe this type round molded foot is found on 19th century ceramics.

I think late 20th century at best personally. I hope I am wrong.

I have a William De Morgan Punch bowl with an almost identical molded base. He bought in Staffordshire blanks to decorate in the 1880's so to me it looks possible to be that old. Could be wrong though as I often am LOL
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Re: Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by Potty on December 23rd 2015, 4:48 pm

Happen to have a picture please? Am quite curious. :)

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Re: Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by Mordeep on December 23rd 2015, 6:38 pm

Now your going to say not similar at all and you could be right  Wah



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Re: Help ID my Chamber Pot. English or American?

Post by Potty on December 23rd 2015, 8:43 pm

Excellent

Similar the way it goes in, but not really what I mean with the all over rounded molding Embarrassed Hard to explain what I mean! Shock

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