czech? late 19th century?? wine goblet!!!

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Post by styleinvasion on February 24th 2015, 10:04 pm



     

any ideas on this historism piece?
Underneath the coat of arms stands "droit et avant".... it should mean "Upright and Forward" or "Straight Ahead!..."

as far as this heraldic page says http://www.prenticenet.com/pnet/arms.php this coat of arms belongs to or has a reference to Ezra P. Prentice which might be important. mr prentice has been a wealthy and influential american.
https://albanyarchives.wordpress.com/category/new-york-state-fair/

even in amazing good condition it seem to be not a replica...at least the way the top rim is cut and polished looks like an old one... the more i try to find out the less closer i come... damn
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Post by Nic on February 25th 2015, 10:07 am

Looks to be a Moser quatrefoil-form goblet from the late 19th or early 20th century. The blank leaves space for the red 'cabochon' to be customised with family crests, initials, commemorations, etc.
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Post by styleinvasion on February 25th 2015, 10:28 am

You are right..
and the coat of arms has been acquired by Ezra P. Prentice ( 1797-1876 )
if this is a "late 19th to early 20th Century piece, it's possibly one of his descendants who this glass once belonged?
I've talked to one of the todays descendants Scott Prentice and he told me that Ezra's grandson (also named Ezra Parmalee Prentice), married Alta Rockefeller, daughter of John D. Rockefeller in 1901.
I'll try contact Moser to see if they have records of doing custom stemware for Prentices or Rockefellers in the early 20th Century. It might have been part of a Wedding Gift or the Marriage's dinner Stemware he said....
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Post by Nic on February 25th 2015, 11:18 am

Marriage tableware tends to have both family names worked into them (especially if both parties are from prominent families). It might more plausibly have been part of a larger and longer-lived service used for general/formal entertainment - by any member of the family.

Because it's a standardised design with only minor additional custom gilding, replacements could quickly and easily be re-ordered from the factory - even if the base design was no longer available more generally.
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Post by styleinvasion on March 28th 2015, 11:08 pm

moser said "no".... meyr's neffe maybe?
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