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Post by bistoboy on February 12th 2014, 6:45 pm

here is an unusual winged vessel, perhaps modeled on a sycamore seed?  There don't appear to be any makers marks, but the base has a depression in the middle (similar looking to a glass vase which has had it's pontil polished out).

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Post by dantheman on February 12th 2014, 7:49 pm

it reminds me of Alan Wallwork

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Re: Alan Wallwork winged vessel (sycamore seed?)

Post by bistoboy on February 13th 2014, 12:13 am

that was my hope, but without a mark underneath who knows
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Post by NaomiM on February 13th 2014, 1:21 am

Looks like a pair of lungs. Wrong shape for a pair of sycamore seeds.

I thought Wallwork used a lighter/greyer clay? I'm afraid it's not saying Wallwork to me.

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Post by studio-pots on February 13th 2014, 8:41 am

It looks like a hobby potter trying to produce something in the manner of AW. Not made as Alan would have done from a technical point of view.

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Post by dantheman on February 13th 2014, 12:01 pm

a very attractive object though, if it was a hobby potter he/she would have been very pleased with it

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Post by bistoboy on February 13th 2014, 6:02 pm

studio-pots wrote:It looks like a hobby potter trying to produce something in the manner of AW. Not made as Alan would have done from a technical point of view.
as a matter of interest, how does Alan make his vessels? are they handmoulded or made on a wheel some how?
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Re: Alan Wallwork winged vessel (sycamore seed?)

Post by NaomiM on February 13th 2014, 6:29 pm


This too.

http://www.alanwallwork.info/abbortsfordgall.html = seed pod form


If it is Wallwork's then maybe he didn't mark it because he wasn't happy with how it turned out.

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Post by NaomiM on February 13th 2014, 7:19 pm

Well it's a classic example of where a name makes all the difference. If it can be attributed to Wallwork then people will think it must be good, but otherwise, I agree with SP, it looks like a hobby potter trying to copy him.

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Post by studio-pots on February 13th 2014, 7:38 pm

bistoboy wrote:
studio-pots wrote:It looks like a hobby potter trying to produce something in the manner of AW. Not made as Alan would have done from a technical point of view.
as a matter of interest, how does Alan make his vessels? are they handmoulded or made on a wheel some how?

They are mostly bowls thrown on a wheel and then altered, joined and the decoration done by incising or poking holes in them.

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Post by dantheman on February 13th 2014, 7:45 pm

I almost wrote 'I prefer Bisty's seed to some of Alan's earlier stuff' but luckily I spotted the carry on connotations Big Laughter

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Post by bistoboy on February 13th 2014, 8:40 pm









a few more pics.
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Post by dantheman on February 14th 2014, 10:36 am

this thread is very interesting as it emphasizes Alan's talent and eye for detail when making his nature based sculptures

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Post by bistoboy on February 15th 2014, 3:47 pm

I have had an email from Alan confirming that this piece is by him, that he did Sometimes miss signing pieces and that he made very few like this shape. Coolio!!! :-)
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Post by studio-pots on February 15th 2014, 4:00 pm

I am surprised but if the man said it was his then he would know. Did he mentioned when he was likely to have made it?

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Post by bistoboy on February 15th 2014, 4:02 pm

No, he didn't say when. But he mentioned that because they're quite fragile, he didn't expect many to have survived and that certainly those he had kept, hadn't faired well.
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Post by studio-pots on February 15th 2014, 4:18 pm

I suppose from a glaze point of view it is likely to be from his time at Abbotsford. I first went to see him at Whitty Down Farm around 1992/3, which is after Abbotsford, and I don't recall seeing the like there, although his workshop and garden were never what you might call tidy.

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Post by studio-pots on February 15th 2014, 4:34 pm

I have had a couple of unsigned pieces in the past (other shapes) and on both occasions they were items that he didn't make many of.

Maybe when he was experimenting he didn't bother to sign the pieces, as he wasn't planning to sell them.

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Post by joethehat on February 14th 2017, 1:12 am

On visits to see Alan, in his shed were a few smaller examples of this type of seedcase form. He used thinner clay so they are quite delicate and susceptible to damage. He said that he enjoyed making them but due to their vulnerability Alan deemed them unsalable.
I bought the seedpod that we are talking about, from ebay a while back. I took it to Alan and he was surprised that it had survived. He grabbed a sharpe tool and scribed his AW mark on the base.
I will feature some pictures of these seedcases on the 'new' upgraded alanwallwork.info website, which isn't too far from completion.

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Post by NaomiM on February 14th 2017, 11:18 pm

Most Excellent

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Post by dantheman on February 15th 2017, 12:32 am

I look forward to reading it Excellent

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