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Post by vanmann August 14th 2011, 4:50 pm

I recently bought a collection of Sylvac pieces and among them was this pair of vases. they appear to be marked with "Jolian Ware" but possibly Tolian. Mark is quite indistinct. Would any body recognise this mark and was this part of Sylvac as it is very similar to the other pieces I bought. Thanks for any help John

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Post by Potty August 14th 2011, 5:01 pm

Falcon Ware Excellent

It was in a sense a sister company of SylvaC for a while, being produced in the same factory and the same items, just different back stamps, from what I understand, until they stopped using the name Falcon Ware.

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Post by vanmann August 14th 2011, 5:33 pm

Now that you have said that it is really obvious, thanks John
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Post by Potty August 14th 2011, 5:48 pm

No problem, signatures always look obvious when someone else tells you what they say, or I find they do anyway Laughter

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Post by NaomiM December 6th 2014, 2:09 am

Jug with two handpainted ships,  marked 1409, Made In England. Falcon Ware. And two handwritten marks which I can't read. Is Falcon Ware the company or pattern name? As I'm not finding similar jugs when I google it.


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Post by denbydump December 6th 2014, 2:28 am


The pattern is "Argosy"


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Post by NaomiM December 6th 2014, 2:43 am

Thank you Most Excellent

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Post by denbydump December 6th 2014, 3:01 am

Technically Thomas Lawrence Ltd Falcon works Longton. 1892-
Either shared or took over the Sylvan works
Shaw & Copestake (Sylvac) in 1957.
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Post by studio-pots December 6th 2014, 9:00 am

The other black script stamp is the pattern name - I think it is Argosy.

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Post by NaomiM December 6th 2014, 9:53 am

So what would the brown script/signature be? Is it just a repeat of 'Falconware'?Or the designer's name?


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Post by denbydump December 6th 2014, 10:26 am

Can't really make it out. Must start with "F" but in a different script. Could be a
wholesaler/retailer name. Flosmaron is the only one I can think of.
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Post by studio-pots December 6th 2014, 10:41 am

denbydump wrote:Early Sylvac Naomi.
The pattern is "Argosy"

Hadn't noticed that you had already written this DD while I was sound asleep............ and probably still was when I repeated it.

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Post by NaomiM December 6th 2014, 5:14 pm

So are all the other Falconware pieces that pop up when I google the name, later Sylvac or a different company?

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Post by denbydump December 6th 2014, 5:20 pm

I Think it may be an urban myth that they were connected.
Falcon bought the works that sylvac were using in 1957, Sylvac then
moved to another site at the same time.
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Post by NaomiM December 6th 2014, 5:38 pm

Excellent

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Post by studio-pots December 6th 2014, 9:24 pm

I have edited the title Naomi, as it has nothing to do with Sylvac.

As an aside, J. H. Weatherley & Sons of the Falcon Pottery in Hanley used the trade name Falcon Ware from around 1925 until 1936. Quite interesting, as Thomas Lawrence began using it in 1936 but I don't know the history.

Your jug has a mark used by Thomas Lawrence Ltd. in the 1950s/60s.

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Post by NaomiM December 6th 2014, 9:42 pm

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Post by denbydump December 7th 2014, 1:03 am

I know what it says here is 50s/60s, (but it does say there are no records)

http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/l/lawrance.html

Stylistically, this jug looks pure 1930s to me.
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Post by NaomiM December 7th 2014, 1:09 am

Yes, it does seem to be 50s-60s mark. I heard that a number of companies continued to use 30s designs into the 50s because of the war and lack of finance to revamp their factories, so this may explain the 30s look to the jug.

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Post by SpoonLicker August 6th 2019, 12:47 pm

I recently bought this rather fabulous clock but can't find another like it or any useful information. The base is marked Falcon Ware,  and what I think is Kadis.
Anyone know anything about it or seen an other similar clocks?

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Post by denbydump August 6th 2019, 3:39 pm

We will need a base pic as there are 2 falcon wares.
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Post by SpoonLicker August 6th 2019, 6:51 pm

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Post by SpoonLicker August 7th 2019, 8:00 am

Thanks, that's interesting.
Strange that your link attributes that particular Falcon Ware mark to the 1950s-60s though, as I'd say Ithe clock has a definite 30s shape and style - and I showed it to an auction house who said probably 1930s too - although they'd never seen one before so were just educated guessing. And if it was 1950s-60s I would expect more of them to have been put on the internet somewhere.
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Post by NaomiM August 7th 2019, 10:25 am

Due to WW2 there was little change in designs between 30s-50s. A lot of companies didn’t retool until the late 50s-60s, and rationing didn’t end until the mid-50s

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