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Post by big ed on Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:44 pm

http://www.millersantiquesguide.com/items/85313/ewenny-zoomorphic-pig-jug-the/

this is an attribution by millers guide and the link below an ebay item

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HORACE-ELLIOTT-EWENNY-POTTERY-ZOOMORPHIC-PIG-JUG-/151192755223?pt=UK_PotteryPorcelain_Glass_PotteryPorcelain_China_SM&hash=item2333ca5c17#ht_93wt_1163

As both are unmarked I wonder how they have reached the conclusion ( millers that is , the seller is only following them )

Elliot was an Eccentric , he visited various potteries and exhibited in his showroom i london , he also madevarious pieces at ewenny on his yearly visits , he marked pieces with Elliot or with fleur de lys stamps and registered his work including a jug in the form of a pig inscribed " Y Mochin " the pig , anybody think these may be copies , why would he leave out signature and inscribes ? and reg no's. ?

just curious as I like the jug .
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Post by NaomiM on Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:16 pm

Ebay one looks like a later copy of the one on the Millers website.

Whether either of them are by Elliot &/or Ewenny is another question, but Ewenny has been going for a very long time so if any pottery were going to produce a copy I'd say it was them.
Alternatively if could be Continental, but if that was there case there should be more of them around.

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Post by NaomiM on Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:18 pm

Here's one by Elliot for comparison, so it seems the Millers one is right, but the ebay one still looks like a later copy.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Important-19th-Cen-Ewenny-Horace-Elliot-Zoomorphic-Pig-Wood-Badger-Beer-Jug-/370962176226?pt=UK_PotteryPorcelain_Glass_PotteryPorcelain_China_SM&hash=item565f1198e2&nma=true&si=eV3qaOIeukVRL%252BRDOIqNLL%252BIXig%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557



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Post by NaomiM on Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:22 pm

But 5 different bidders seem to think it's right, so maybe it is.

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Post by NaomiM on Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:56 pm

Another one of Elliots:

http://www.invaluable.com/catalog/viewLot.cfm?afRedir=true&lotRef=0i8w3pbbu7&scp=c&ri=305

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Post by big ed on Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:18 pm

thanks for the links Naomi , I have some info on Elliot from my Bartlett book , I think your right about the ebay one being a copy , it isn't as elaborate as the others imo , but I might be totally wrong , i'll look further for others , Ta , Ed
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Post by big ed on Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:17 pm

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19105/lot/497/

this one from bonhams states from an elliot design , so maybe not always made by him personally although the 1900 date would be correct .
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Post by NaomiM on Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:48 pm

I think, on balance, it's a recent copy.

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Post by studio-pots on Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:10 pm

Unless they have changed their ways Miller's ask a dealer if they can take some pictures of their stock and then ask the dealer for the description and price of what they have photographed.


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Post by big ed on Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:45 am

just read that he was happy to let others at ewenny execute his designs , SP yes i thought that as I know quite a few of the names in the millers book and most of it is fantasy ,although I thought the auction quotes were actual .
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Post by NaomiM on Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:33 am

I've always assumed the prices were a mix of actual auction figures, estimates and wishful thinking, but mostly wishful thinking .

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Post by big ed on Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:18 pm

That's correct , that's exactly what they are  Excellent 
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Post by Eclectic-Dorset on Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:09 pm

I think any value should be a sold value not a 200% over the top estimate, other wise what is the point , some prices from Millers from 6/7 years ago look truly ludicrous now as the real market has dropped by so much as well , but true quality always shines through and holds its price and even increases in bad times.
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Post by big ed on Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:34 pm

things do go in phases though and Millers is called ( caustiously) a Guide , nice pics though  Laughter 
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Post by philpot on Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:48 pm

Never trust an Alpine guide who leads you off a cliff...
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Post by big ed on Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:55 pm

Whyyyyyyyyyy???????????/// Shock Laughter 
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Post by philpot on Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:05 pm

 Happy Cos its a Very Long Way Down....
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Post by dantheman on Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:06 am

Big Laughter 

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